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Name: Zuzu
Northern California (Zone 9a)
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Apr 5, 2019 1:02 AM CST

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I am growing most of the new ones I got this year in pots, but the cost of large pots and potting soil makes that an imperfect solution. Luckily, the gophers have never bothered any of my roses grafted onto multiflora and fortuniana, so that's why I buy so many from Palatine each year. I wish Pickering hadn't gone out of business. Hortico's just okay, not great. I used to buy lots of roses on fortuniana from K&M, but the shipping got to be too expensive.

It would be expensive to replace the dead ones, but I probably won't even try. Many of my roses were hard to find in the first place and might be impossible to find now. Today's losses -- Pearl, Gypsy Dancer, Golden Julia, Halloween, Angel Wings, and Royal Albert Hall -- probably aren't even available anywhere anymore.

I'm trying to remain philosophical about the losses. About 12 years ago I grew tired of losing roses to the gophers, bought more than a thousand gopher-proof cages, and dug up most of my roses and replanted them in the cages. Now the cages are failing, but I'm retired and I have neither the money nor the energy to do that again.

It'll be fine. Gardens are not static entities. They're always changing. A couple of years ago I counted my rose bushes and learned that I had about 2,000 of them. I could lose half and still have a garden full of roses.
Name: Porkpal
Richmond, TX
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porkpal
Apr 5, 2019 6:26 AM CST
Zuzu, I admire your accepting attitude, but couldn't the gophers develop a taste for more common and replaceable plants?
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Name: seil
St Clair Shores, MI (Zone 6a)
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seilMI
Apr 5, 2019 6:44 AM CST
Lol, Carol, your comment made me chuckle. Knowing that they're from Certified Roses they could be anything! But I do hope they are the Waiheke that was on the package.
Name: Shyam
San Francisco, CA (Zone 10b)
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Rose_Guy1127
Apr 5, 2019 6:48 AM CST
Zuzu,

I admire your positive attitude. It's such a shame that after investing time, effort and love in raising beautiful roses for years, and to lose them to gophers.
Name: Anne Peck
Indiana (Zone 5b)
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queenanne42
Apr 5, 2019 8:33 AM CST
Zuzu, you are a true stoic. Luckily we only have the occasional mole. But I still feel sad for your poor garden. Sad
Name: Carol
Alberta, Canada (Zone 3b)
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Canadian_Rose
Apr 5, 2019 10:27 AM CST
Zuzu - wow!!! over 2,000 roses!!! I can't imagine! So glad to hear that you can get rootstock that the gophers don't like as much! That's a relief at least. Thumbs up
Name: J
Phoenix, AZ
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GrowNRepeat
Apr 5, 2019 11:14 AM CST
Poppin like popcorn around here..here's a peak

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Name: Suzanne/Sue
Sebastopol, CA (Zone 9a)
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Calif_Sue
Apr 5, 2019 12:36 PM CST

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We will go shopping soon Zuzu, this blasted rain is delaying everything, next week it looks like we will finally be dry for an entire week! Hurray! I'll let you know when I have some free time, we are in the middle of remodeling the kitchen, well, getting near the end of it finally but I have boxes and boxes of kitchen stuff still to put back. Sad Not the fun part of remodeling.
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Name: Zuzu
Northern California (Zone 9a)
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zuzu
Apr 5, 2019 12:47 PM CST

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Can't wait to see it, Sue. Is Leslie still there? Kitchen remodels are a bear! I remember having boxes and boxes of donations to St. Vincent de Paul at the end of mine, not to mention boxes and boxes of expired spices. Big Grin
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Mustbnuts
Apr 5, 2019 4:04 PM CST
Zuzu, so sorry again about your roses. I found out that Burling will graft roses on to rootstock if you wish. I know she has some of the older roses, so you may want to check that option out. I don't know how you do what you do with 2000 or even 1000 roses. I have about 30 or so and they keep me hopping!

Name: Zuzu
Northern California (Zone 9a)
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zuzu
Apr 5, 2019 4:35 PM CST

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Thanks, Mustbnuts. Burling has grafted roses for me before, and she does a good job, but I'm not really worried about replacing the ones that are gone. I had them, I enjoyed them while they were here, and now I'll move on to others.
Name: Mike Stewart
Lower Hudson Valley, NY (Zone 6b)
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Mike
Apr 5, 2019 4:55 PM CST
Zuzu and Sue, I fondly remember the time some years ago when I visited you from NY and we went nursery hopping together. I would like to do that again. For those who might recall, I sometimes go to California in February to attend the Old Time / Bluegrass Music Camp for adults - this is a week-long gathering of banjo players, fiddlers, bass players, guitarists, and singers who gather for a week of master classes and to perform together. It's just down the road a pace from Zuzu and Sue, and I've had the pleasure of extending my trip there a couple of times to visit with them and see the nurseries in their neck of the woods. It was such a treat for me (but frustrating at the same time) because I saw soooo many roses I had never heard of, as they aren't sold in NY because they aren't cold hardy to our zone 6. And I especially loved visiting the camellia nursery with Zuzu and Sue, because my family has raised camellias in my home state of North Carolina since the 1930s, and as a transplanted southerner living in NY, I have some of the rare camellia cultivars that can grow in our frigid winters. But I digress. Today I was listening to my favorite mountain music from the Carolinas, singing out loud (since my husband was off showing houses to clients), and thinking back to the last time I was at the California camp with my three banjos. It's been at least 6 or 7 years since I've been there, and I think I need to go again. It's good for the soul, and so are Zuzu and Sue.
Name: J
Phoenix, AZ
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GrowNRepeat
Apr 5, 2019 5:39 PM CST
Zuzu, with 2000 roses that is not a garden, that is a museum. I would love to smell the air with them in bloom, I can only imagine. What a beatiful scene they must cause.
Name: Zuzu
Northern California (Zone 9a)
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Apr 5, 2019 6:34 PM CST

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Thank you, Mike, and we would love to see you again. You're also good for the soul.

In its heyday, it was something like a botanical museum, GrowNRepeat. I was fortunate to build the collection when I was making a good salary and when many now defunct nurseries were still in business. It's something that can't be duplicated now. The good nurseries are gone and I'm too old to start over. Besides, I have no money left. I spent it all on roses. Hilarious!
Name: Amanda
KC metro area, Missouri (Zone 6a)
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pepper23
Apr 5, 2019 6:40 PM CST
I finally got a chance to walk the yard today and see what is putting on buds or coming up. I have a few roses not up yet but a couple of them were in a bed that gets burned every year to get rid of all the dead stuff that piles up in there.

The rose I'm most excited about coming back is Souv Du Docteur Jamain. I had to move it last year about 5 feet because it was too close to the house and failing. I moved it into a spot I had originally reserved for a small tree but the tree died and now Jamain is coming back and looks really healthy so far!! Hurray! Hurray!

Oh My, Barden Barden, Betty Boop, a yellow no name mini and Grimm Brother Fairy Tale are back for sure. I have a white rose, Sir Thomas who isn't up yet and the roses in the burn bed will be late. Leonardo Da Vinci is one in the burn bed and as soon as it starts coming up I plan on moving it also. I have a spot between dayliles that is empty and needs filled. I think it will do better there than where I have it now.

I will try to get pictures this weekend of them all. Still have to get dead wood off them this weekend too if it doesn't rain and make the yard not walkable.
Name: Mike Stewart
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Mike
Apr 5, 2019 8:54 PM CST
Amanda, Betty Boop is one of my favorites, and has done well in the partial shade of the east side of my garden. Here's an old photo, but a goodie...

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Name: Carol
Alberta, Canada (Zone 3b)
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Canadian_Rose
Apr 5, 2019 9:08 PM CST
GASP!!!! Drooling Drooling Look at that picotee edging!!!! That's the prettiest picture of Betty Boop I've ever seen!!! Oh swoon!!!!
Name: Suzanne/Sue
Sebastopol, CA (Zone 9a)
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Calif_Sue
Apr 5, 2019 10:47 PM CST

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Zuzu, kitchen is almost done except for small things now, purchased new drawers with gliders so Brad is putting those together, also needs to finish the lighting and trim around door and window. The floors will be done a bit later, we spent more than planned, isn't that always the way!
Leslie and family left Sunday morning. They were such a big help, the painting of the cabinets turned out beautiful, I don't think we could have done it ourselves and have it look as good.

I will have to find an old photo and do some side by side shots for the before and after!

Did some more flooding in sections of gopher tunnels today, so now I know where to place traps. I think I need to buy a couple more, activity is always the worst in the spring.
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Name: Carol
Alberta, Canada (Zone 3b)
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Canadian_Rose
Apr 6, 2019 1:14 AM CST
Sue - it sounds like you've gone through a lot of work in your remodel! I can't wait to see the side by side photos. Good luck in getting rid of those Grumbling gophers Grumbling
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Mustbnuts
Apr 6, 2019 4:17 AM CST
Mike, I have no idea when the bluegrass workshop is going on but I know that Rosalia (not sure if I spelled it correctly as it is 3:16 in the morning here) is coming up soon. That would be a fun time to visit.

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