Roses forum: HELP! I know almost nothing about roses.

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Name: Moondog
Jourdanton, TX (Zone 9a)
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Moondog
Apr 2, 2019 11:20 AM CST
Hi y'all!
First, let me tell you about myself. I am a TOTAL newbie. My wife recently passed (Feb 2018) and she always forbade me from touching or watering her plants, and ESPECIALLY her roses. She was AMAZING.
Somehow I have managed to "not kill" her numerous plants around the place (indoor and out). On the front (north) side of the house she had 3 gorgeous rose bushes, that produced beautifully. Only one of these had a fragrance, and it was her favorite and it is really awesome. I don't know what kind of roses these are. By the way, I am in ZONE 9, approximately 50 miles south of San Antonio, TX.
Following the passing of my wife, I have been online (a lot) trying to educate myself regarding the plants (especially the roses). As a memorial, I have ordered and recently planted 6 roses from J&P, from their aromatic collection. These all are doing well, except the "Mr. Lincoln". It started out well, with several clusters of small leaves (1/4" long), but then just stopped growing. It has not died and appears to be green. But it hasn't developed further in 3-4 weeks. The others have several buds and a couple of blooms have already opened. Just not Mr. Lincoln.
I have talked with the staff at J&P, and they instructed me to treat with Epsom salt every 2 weeks. I have done this twice now, but have seen no change. If anyone can help me, I would be very grateful.
Thanks in advance.
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Name: Mike Stewart
Lower Hudson Valley, NY (Zone 6b)
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Mike
Apr 2, 2019 11:58 AM CST
Moondog,

Welcome to the Roses Forum, where you will make new friends and receive a lot of good advice. You will also receive compassion here, as well. Most of us here have lost loved ones and we are sorry for the recent loss of your wife. I myself just lost my mother a couple of years ago, and had to teach my father how to care for her rose garden, which I planted for her years ago.

My best advice is to go to your favorite online book seller, such as Amazon, and purchase a copy of Ortho's Complete Guide to Roses. I have reviewed and indexed numerous books on roses, and it is by far and away the most comprehensive but easy to understand guide book in my opinion. It is the same book I got my mother started with, and I've also recommended it to my sister, who has found it very helpful.

Meanwhile, whenever you have specific questions, please feel free to raise them here, and you will get lots of good advice.

Once again, welcome.

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Name: Lola
Tasmania
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LolaTasmania
Apr 2, 2019 3:07 PM CST
Hi Moondog Welcome!

If you can post some photos of the roses you don't know the names of someone here can probably identify them for you. Your wife would be so pleased that you are taking care of her roses, and planting more in her memory is a lovely thing to do. Lola.
Name: seil
St Clair Shores, MI (Zone 6a)
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seilMI
Apr 2, 2019 4:00 PM CST
Hi, Moondog, and welcome!

My condolences on the loss of your wife. I'm sure she's smiling about your diligent care of her garden.

As Lola said, pictures are a help. We can help ID your mystery roses but also, if you post a picture of your Mr. Lincoln's condition we have a better chance of diagnosing the problem. I will caution you about using the Epsom Salts. You can over do it. I would wait now and see what we think the problem might be before using any more. Without an accurate diagnosis you could do more harm than good. Please take pictures of the entire plant and then of the stunted growth and any other characteristics that might help us.
Name: Carol
Alberta, Canada (Zone 3b)
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Canadian_Rose
Apr 2, 2019 4:16 PM CST
Welcome Group hug Moondog!!!
I'm glad that you have such a wonderful connection to your late wife. For the new roses, I would stop the Epsom salts...too much salt is not good. Plus, since you've just planted your memorial roses (what a fabulous and caring idea!) they need to be just watered and nothing else since they're bare root roses (I assume). Don't fertilize them (and then very dilutely) until they've started to flower. Make sure they're watered well.
Any more questions, feel free to ask. Smiling
Carol
Coastal Southern California (Zone 13a)
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jerijen
Apr 2, 2019 5:26 PM CST
I agree with Mike about the books. BIG help.

I also suggest that you visit the American Rose Society's website, and let them steer you to a local rose society. I can pretty much guarantee that those folks will fall all over themselves to help you.

See: https://www.rose.org/local-ros...

Finally, I agree with Canadian Rose on the Epsom Salts.

We used it for a few years before finding out that in OUR alkaline soil and water, that stuff was the LAST thing we needed!

I'd recommend, instead, a good, balanced fertilizer, and plenty of water. (But no fertilizer for the new roses! Wait a couple of months -- after the first flush of bloom -- to feed those plants.
Name: Shyam
San Francisco, CA (Zone 10b)
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Rose_Guy1127
Apr 2, 2019 7:30 PM CST
Welcome!

I am sure your wife is looking upon you and is bursting with pride that her husband is honoring her by tending to her roses (and other plants), and also by planting a dozen more roses! Mighty nice way of remembering your wife!

I echo all that has been already mentioned in this thread so far. In regards to Mister Lincoln, in my personal experience of growing one, it will take time for it to be well-established. In other words, it will focus on putting bottom growth first, once after the rootstock is up and growing, you will see more of top growth. Some roses are like Mister Lincoln; they are slow growers and take time to get established. Do not add any fertilizer or Epsom salt. Give it time all the while watering it regularly, and you will see some progress. If you are still concerned, take a picture of it and share it, so others might shed some light on the issues inhibiting the rose growth if any.

As for the books, I highly recommend starting with light reading, primarily as a beginner with A Year In The Life Of A Rose by Rayford Clayton Reddell. Another book by the same author that I found useful was Growing Good Roses. I also found Rose Growing Complete by E.B.Le Grice informative, detailed but dense. I will save it for later.
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Name: Moondog
Jourdanton, TX (Zone 9a)
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Moondog
Apr 3, 2019 7:03 AM CST
Thanks all for the advice. I will get a photo/s later (this evening or tomorrow) and share that.
Again, thanks for the advice and for caring!!!

Moondog
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Name: Anne Peck
Indiana (Zone 5b)
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queenanne42
Apr 3, 2019 8:41 AM CST
Welcome Moondog. I am sorry to hear about the loss of your wife. A memorial garden is nice lasting reminder as is taking up her hobby. When my mom died I dedicated myself to reading her favorite books. I am not as advanced as most of the people here but I will help in any way I can.
Long Island, New York, USA (Zone 7a)
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Ray_Gun
Apr 3, 2019 8:53 AM CST
Hi Moondog and welcome to the forums! We're glad to have you. Welcome! Group hug

What a sweet way to pay tribute to your late wife. We'll do our best to guide you in the right direction so keep those questions coming. I've got some Mr. Lincolns as well, this is their second season in the ground. I noticed they were a bit slow to establish but I got decent production from them last year. I'm hoping this year is even better. Looking forward to seeing your progress.
Name: Moondog
Jourdanton, TX (Zone 9a)
Region: Texas Birds Dog Lover Keeps Horses Roses Deer
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Moondog
Apr 5, 2019 9:25 AM CST
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This is the Mr. Lincoln.


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These are the others that were planted at the same time.



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And this is the "Double Delight", her first bloom.
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Name: Carol
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Canadian_Rose
Apr 5, 2019 10:31 AM CST
Moondog - your roses look beautiful!! I especially love that Mr. Lincoln bloom!!!

Could you get a better picture (closer and more well lit) of Mr. Lincoln's canes? It looks like there could be canker on the canes.
Name: Shyam
San Francisco, CA (Zone 10b)
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Rose_Guy1127
Apr 5, 2019 10:56 AM CST
Right off the bat, I made a few observations on Mr. Lincoln,

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1. I see a few dieback canes that I marked in yellow and blue circles. I would prune the dark brown/black cane area, which visually appears as a dry cane. For instance, if you prune the dieback cane in half, you will see a dried out interior of the cane, whereas if you prune it from the origination of the brown color, you will see a fresh/white interior. The white interior indicates a healthy part. So I would prune off the dieback canes from the point where the brown color originates.

2. The ones that I marked with yellow arrows (at the bottom and the top center) highlight the pink bud eye, which will grow into canes. Wherever you see pink bud eyes means the rose is well on its way growing.

Besides the above two observations, I don't see any issues, and I feel Mr. Lincoln is getting established. As I stated earlier on this thread, some roses put on bottom growth first before putting on top growth, and some do the opposite.

You may find this article informative:
http://www.missouribotanicalga...
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Aerith
Apr 5, 2019 2:19 PM CST
Shyam, the link is very helpful to a new roser! Thanks for sharing.

Aerith
Name: seil
St Clair Shores, MI (Zone 6a)
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seilMI
Apr 5, 2019 5:34 PM CST
As Shyam said, the rose looks fine and does have a few new red buds. It's probably just growing a good root ball to support the top growth. You now roses are like people. Each variety has its own personality. Some like cool weather and bud out early in the spring. Others like to sleep late and wait for some really warm weather to start growing. I had a Snowfire once that never started growing until 4th of July! I got rid of it. I have a short season and no time for such a lazy slacker, lol!
Name: Moondog
Jourdanton, TX (Zone 9a)
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Moondog
Apr 7, 2019 9:23 AM CST
Finally got RAIN Hurray!
It's been raining for the last 3 1/2 hours...…...Finally!!!
There has been the "chance of rain" in the forecast every weekend since the 1st weekend of January, but it has been going around me.
It has been a really dry year so far, and I'm SO THANKFUL for the rain.
We had a small amount of hail (pea sized) but everything looks okay. Her first bloom, the "Double Delight", crashed, but the rose bushes look fine.
Here is her 2nd bloom from "Perfume Delight" and it smells really nice.

Can't wait till they all get going, with loads of blooms Smiling

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Name: Carol
Alberta, Canada (Zone 3b)
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Canadian_Rose
Apr 7, 2019 12:56 PM CST
Hey Moondog - do you have hunting dogs? or is your name from the surfing movies with Moondoggy? Big Grin Just wondering what your user name means. You don't have to tell us if you don't want. Thumbs up
I'm so glad that you got your much needed rain! That's excellent!! I love your Perfume Delight...I agree that the scent is really good...dare I say...sublime? I had to get rid of mine once...got downy mildew...got it again...same thing. I remember that I really loved this rose...but I can't grow it. As to the hail...I live in Calgary which the northern part..yup, me... is the hail capital of Canada...so my roses get a lot of hail. So I know how that feels. Sigh.
Keep posting rose pictures!!! Thank You!
Name: Moondog
Jourdanton, TX (Zone 9a)
Region: Texas Birds Dog Lover Keeps Horses Roses Deer
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Moondog
Apr 7, 2019 2:21 PM CST
My name is Mooney (Irish).
Moondog is a nickname I've had for many years.
Just by chance, my son got the same handle when he was in High School.
Also, moondogs (coyotes) are constantly serenading on and around my property, and there is something so beautiful, primal, chilling (and a few other words and feelings I can't describe) about the coyote's song, that is so incredibly awesome. That being said; I kinda like the nickname.
And BTW, my love of the coyote is not something shared by most of my rancher friends and sheepmen in Texas.
Actually, I wasn't aware of a movie about "Moondoggies". But it could be that whoever first gave me that nickname was. I don't know about that. I can't even remember when I first got the nickname. It's been many years ago.
Life is too short, no matter how long we're here. PLAY HARD and LOVE someone, with everything you got!
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Name: Carol
Alberta, Canada (Zone 3b)
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Canadian_Rose
Apr 7, 2019 3:16 PM CST
Oh, that's interesting...I had no idea coyotes are called moondogs! And, yes, coyotes around ranchers...get the rifles out. It's really wonderful that you feel the magic of the coyotes. The movies are the Gidget movies...Sandra Dee is the female lead and James Darren is the male lead. His nick name is Moondoggy. These movies were in the late 1950s. It's really nice to know more about your nickname, "Moondogy." Thank You!
Name: J
Phoenix, AZ
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GrowNRepeat
Apr 7, 2019 4:02 PM CST
Learn something new every day, didn't know coyotes are called moondogs. Now when I talk about the coyotes in the wash behind my house. I'm gonna tell people I got moondogs.

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