Roses forum: Anyone know why.........

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Name: Mike
Long Beach, Ca.
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Calsurf73
Apr 5, 2019 8:25 AM CST
some roses seem to disappear out of commerce after a while ?
I was just reading Suzi44's thread about not being able to fine Brass Band.
That rose used to be readily available where I am but seems to have disappeared. Same for "Eureka".
Name: Carol
Alberta, Canada (Zone 3b)
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Canadian_Rose
Apr 5, 2019 10:29 AM CST
Maybe it has to do with the patent? If it expires, the breeder may not want to put it out there???
Name: Shyam
San Francisco, CA (Zone 10b)
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Rose_Guy1127
Apr 5, 2019 11:01 AM CST
On the same subject, I share this post from The Heritage Roses group on Facebook. How I wish, I could get my hands on this beauty!

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Post by: Jacek Kondratowicz on The Heritage Roses Group on Facebook.
Name: seil
St Clair Shores, MI (Zone 6a)
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seilMI
Apr 5, 2019 5:44 PM CST
Mostly they disappear because they don't get ordered by the nurseries so the suppliers quit growing them. The nurseries don't re-order roses that don't sell well. And what do most people want? This year's introductions! People want the latest and greatest or what ever is being touted as new and improved, etc. They get bombarded with hype and gorgeous photos in the catalogs and that's the one they want. So the old ones slowly fade away. Keep looking in the body bag rose bins. That's where the old ones usually show up.
Coastal Southern California (Zone 13a)
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jerijen
Apr 5, 2019 6:29 PM CST
Also, they disappear because after all, they can only grow so many cultivars -- and they are most anxious to present their newest ... for which there is a bigger market.

It's really economics.

And it's nothing new! Think of all the wonderful roses that were hot stuff in 1819 . . . in 1919 . . . Now, many of them, so forgotten their names are lost.

Look at the rose I call "Jesse Hildreth" . . .
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Once, everyone knew this rose . . . Now ... forgotten.

Name: Carol
Alberta, Canada (Zone 3b)
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Canadian_Rose
Apr 6, 2019 1:16 AM CST
Jeri - That's a gorgeous white rose!!! Looks huge and gorgeously blousey!!!

Shyam - the color on those purple roses is unreal!!! Talk about a stunning color!!! Oh mama!!!
Sydney, Australia (Zone 10b)
Protoavis
Apr 9, 2019 8:55 PM CST
Canadian_Rose said:Maybe it has to do with the patent? If it expires, the breeder may not want to put it out there???


Patent is just a limitation on who can propagate the rose and ensuring some of the profit goes to the breeder. When the patent ends everyone can propagate and profit doesn't flow back to the breeder.

It's more profitable per rose to sell non patented roses...its just thats not where the advertising and marketing is. Also potentially the big breeders like Kordes can probably sway suppliers in a "if you dont discontinue x rose we wont let you propagate our roses"
Anyone with oryzalin (aka Surflan, Embargo), am looking for a small amount rather than 5litres from manufacturer (min size in Australia....)
Name: Anne Peck
Indiana (Zone 5b)
Anne wants more plants
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queenanne42
Apr 10, 2019 7:56 AM CST
That is part of the reason I tend to grow old roses. They are not as common and some have become rather scarce. I does take time to find them but it is worth it.
Name: Mike
Long Beach, Ca.
Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Roses Region: California Hummingbirder Farmer
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Calsurf73
Apr 10, 2019 7:57 AM CST
Thanks to all of you for your information on this subject !

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