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Name: Moondog
Jourdanton, TX (Zone 9a)
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Moondog
Apr 8, 2019 3:25 PM CST
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I saw this rose on the "roses link" on the Garden.org Homepage.
OMG, this is GORGEOUS!
What can y'all tell me about this one? Will it do okay in South Texas?
I have found one in a nursery in San Antone.

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Name: Mike
Long Beach, Ca.
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Calsurf73
Apr 8, 2019 5:11 PM CST
I grow it and it does great where I am. It sulks a little for me in the summer heat so I moved it to a spot where it gets shade in the hottest part of the summer sun. If you're in Texas, you might want to do the same since your summers are hot like ours.
Name: Moondog
Jourdanton, TX (Zone 9a)
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Moondog
Apr 8, 2019 5:38 PM CST
Thanks, Mike.
We hit 110 (or more) degrees regularly here, in July & August. I think I'm still gonna give it a shot.
I've got a decent spot on the east side of the house, where I'm gonna try it. Should keep that west summer sun off of it. Crossing Fingers!
I'll ley you know.

Again, Thanks!
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Name: Carol
Alberta, Canada (Zone 3b)
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Canadian_Rose
Apr 8, 2019 5:49 PM CST
That's a wonderful picture!!! Wowza!!! Lovey dubby
Name: J
Phoenix, AZ
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GrowNRepeat
Apr 9, 2019 4:11 PM CST
I saw one at a local nursery last fall, was bummed it was in poor condition and not worth buying. I'll buy that floribunda sometime this year though.
Sydney, Australia (Zone 10b)
Protoavis
Apr 10, 2019 12:21 AM CST
I don't hate it, the blooms are good but the plant is not great, its not particularly vigorous and at least here in Au it gets blackspot. Its never developed into a proper bush for me. Just looks whimpy. Not a good garden plant.

Having said that though, there aren't a lot of options for that deep colour, fragrant and repeat flowering that are better. Many of them are closely related.
Anyone with oryzalin (aka Surflan, Embargo), am looking for a small amount rather than 5litres from manufacturer (min size in Australia....)
Name: Moondog
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Moondog
Apr 10, 2019 5:44 AM CST
Thanks for the input, all!
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Name: Moondog
Jourdanton, TX (Zone 9a)
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Moondog
Apr 12, 2019 7:40 AM CST
Okay, I bought the Ebb Tide and have it planted next to my deck. It is mostly protected from the evening sun by a large oak tree. I really hope it does well. Crossing Fingers!
Here are 3 pics:
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In the container.
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Planted.
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Blooms.

I apologize for the poor close-up. My macro photography sucks. I'll need to work on that.

Thanks,

Moondog

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Name: Mike
Long Beach, Ca.
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Calsurf73
Apr 12, 2019 7:44 AM CST
You got a very nice specimen !
Name: Moondog
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Moondog
Apr 12, 2019 7:59 AM CST
Thanks, CalSurf73! I had the guy at the nursery pick it out.
I think I'm really gonna like those folks at "Fanicks Lawn and Garden" in San Antone.
Mark, an employee, spent a lot of time with me, providing a "ton" of information and advice. They have been in business since 1939 (which says a lot for me). He went through all (22) Ebb Tide plants and picked out this one. However, they all looked really healthy, to me.
Also, I bought and planted 5 pecan trees from them 3 years ago, and those are still growing well.

We'll see. Now it's up to me Shrug!
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Name: Porkpal
Richmond, TX
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porkpal
Apr 12, 2019 9:56 AM CST
I agree with Mike - a very healthy looking plant!
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Name: Mike Stewart
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Mike
Apr 12, 2019 10:39 AM CST
Moondog, as you get more experienced with roses you'll be able to do for yourself what the helpful employee did for you, and that's to pick out the "best" plant among many others. It's tempting to look at the top growth and be drawn to whatever looks bushy, full of foliage and in bloom. But I do the opposite:

The first thing I do is pick up each plant and hold the pot at eye level, or if it's too big, I tip the pot at a horizontal 45 degree angle, so that I can look just above the rim of the pot at soil level, and count how many canes are sprouting directly out from the bud union (the woody bulb just above the roots). And I make sure to observe how many of those canes are healthy (not split, broken, torn or dying back), and how many of them have healthy branching off-shoots. (The thickness of the canes also matters.) To me, the more canes, the better, even if the top growth doesn't look quite as lush as some other plants. Roses are very fast growers, and the top growth can change quickly, so for me I'm more interested in the structure of the plant. (Of course, for me in the northeast, I'll be pruning a lot of those canes off each year after they die back from the winter, so who knows how many canes it will produce in subsequent years. But I at least want the maximum number of healthy canes to start with.)

The second thing I do is look at the top growth. If the roses are showing signs of black spot, powdery mildew, or insect damage, I'll look for one with healthier foliage. This is where it can get a little tricky, because sometimes the plant with the best structure might have more blackspot, so you have to use your judgment and make trade-offs.

Whether or not the plant is in bloom at that moment is less important to me than its structure and health, as per the above considerations. The only time I'm really drawn toward a blooming rose when making a buying decision is if it's a toss-up between it and a few others of equal quality. If one of them is in bloom, that's the one I'll take home.
Name: Carol
Alberta, Canada (Zone 3b)
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Canadian_Rose
Apr 12, 2019 12:37 PM CST
Looks like a great specimen!!
Gorgeous!
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Mustbnuts
Apr 12, 2019 4:10 PM CST
Such a beautiful rose! Congrats on your new purchase!
Name: Moondog
Jourdanton, TX (Zone 9a)
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Moondog
Apr 13, 2019 8:51 AM CST
Mike,

Thanks for the great advice. That is almost exactly what Mark at the garden center told me.
When I planted it, I used the potting soil he recommended, plus 2oz. root stimulator (Kangaroo Brand) and a cup of Rose Tone, mixed with the soil.
As he also is familiar with my soil here, which is "not very good"; he had me mix the potting soil 75% with the removed soil. He said this will be advantageous for the roses.
BTW, I have been trying to improve my soil and have purchased 40 yds. of topsoil from a local company, which I have been adding to my lawn, around the house (very slowly, I might add). That's a lot of work!!. I have been working on this for several months, now.

Again, thanks to you and everyone here for your help!

Moondog
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Name: Moondog
Jourdanton, TX (Zone 9a)
Region: Texas Birds Dog Lover Keeps Horses Roses Deer
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Moondog
Apr 13, 2019 12:12 PM CST

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I am happy with this one so far. I think it is a very pretty rose. And I like the spot it's in, next to the steps going up onto the deck.
And we got another nice rain this morning Smiling

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Name: Carol
Alberta, Canada (Zone 3b)
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Canadian_Rose
Apr 13, 2019 7:09 PM CST
Yes, those are beautiful flowers and nice fat buds! What's not to love. Good job!
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Bethadilly
Apr 25, 2019 3:11 PM CST
It is beautiful! It's been on my list to purchase in the future when I find one.
Name: Teri
Western WA (Zone 8a)
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DiluteCalico
Apr 26, 2019 2:00 PM CST
I live in a very different climate, but my experience with 'Ebb Tide' is that I'm in love with fragrance and unusual coloring, but when not in bloom (it blooms in flushes here after taking a rest), it's... being polite, kind of naked. It grows very little foliage for me and few new canes - despite being well fed, although it does have good disease resistance and I've never had a cane break in the wind or snow. In cooler weather, the fresh blooms are more violet purple than magenta, and the aging blooms will also darken. It's not self cleaning, so prepare to deadhead and prepare for the shower of shattered aging bloom petals. This rose does not tolerate heavy pruning for me, but perhaps it performs better in warmer climates? I usually get 3 bloom flushes a year out of it, but I live in a short grow season area. I planted this rose, I think around 2010?, and it's pretty much the same in size and (lack of) vigor for me today. I don't find it fussy at all - it's predictably reliable, but when not in bloom, it has the appearance of cut off twigs with some sparsely placed dangly foliage. The right companion plants can help hide it. Hilarious! The one I have is grafted and I'm considering trying an own root one to see if there's any difference in growth improvement. Here you can see the full range of aging purples from new blooms to old.



Name: Carol
Alberta, Canada (Zone 3b)
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Canadian_Rose
Apr 26, 2019 8:34 PM CST
Oooooh!!! Teri!! Lovey dubby That is luscious!!!!

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