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Name: aud/odd
Pennsylvania (Zone 6b)
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Cinta
Apr 22, 2019 11:19 PM CST
The only rose I have been able to keep alive more than a yr or two is the Fairy rose. But I never give up. Heirloom had a sale so since I kill them I only purchased the ones for 19.00. Anybody have any good thing to say about these. Okay I will take the bad things you have to say too... *Blush*

Anne Harkness®

By Appointment™

Compassion®

Serendipity

Name: Zuzu
Northern California (Zone 9a)
Charter ATP Member Region: California Cat Lover Roses Clematis Irises
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zuzu
Apr 22, 2019 11:52 PM CST

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I have all four and I love them. All four bloom in soft pastel colors. Very calming. In my garden, Compassion and Anne Harkness are a little more floriferous than the other two. Serendipity is more prone to black spot than the others, but that's something that's common to all of the Buck roses in my garden.
Name: aud/odd
Pennsylvania (Zone 6b)
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Cinta
Apr 23, 2019 12:14 AM CST
Thank You. I am looking for calm. I picked them for calm colors instead of hot.
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Name: Zuzu
Northern California (Zone 9a)
Charter ATP Member Region: California Cat Lover Roses Clematis Irises
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zuzu
Apr 23, 2019 12:15 AM CST

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You chose well. Smiling
Name: Carol
Alberta, Canada (Zone 3b)
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Canadian_Rose
Apr 23, 2019 2:09 AM CST
Good luck with your roses. Maybe we can help you to get them to live??
Zone 9, Sunset Zone 9 (Zone 9b)
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Mustbnuts
Apr 23, 2019 5:31 AM CST
Aud, please take up Carol on her generous offer to help you have your roses live and thrive. She grows beautiful roses in a much colder spot and can help you so you can enjoy your roses for many years to come. You have chosen some beauties although I don't grow any of those. Ann Harkness is gorgeous!
Name: seil
St Clair Shores, MI (Zone 6a)
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seilMI
Apr 23, 2019 2:43 PM CST
Aud, I'm in zone 6, Michigan, and keep roses for decades. Please tell us how you plant and care for them so we can give you advise on how to get them to winter over better.
Name: Carol
Alberta, Canada (Zone 3b)
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Canadian_Rose
Apr 23, 2019 6:03 PM CST
Thanks, Mustbnuts. Group hug
Name: aud/odd
Pennsylvania (Zone 6b)
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Cinta
Apr 23, 2019 11:11 PM CST
seilMI said:Aud, I'm in zone 6, Michigan, and keep roses for decades. Please tell us how you plant and care for them so we can give you advise on how to get them to winter over better.


Not much I can tell you is I am a bad mommy that have bad weather. I think I cover them too soon because I try to wait for the freeze and put the leaves to cover and we warm back up. I have purchased Rose Soil Mix and filled the garden with my homemade compost.

Global warming and all that. As with so many things in my garden zone is not everything. We get down to 0 for a week and come back with 40s and 50s , rain, rain, suddenly ice, ice, freeze, freeze. Back to 40s 50s. Freeze in a bucket of water then thaw is not good for plants.
Name: Carol
Alberta, Canada (Zone 3b)
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Canadian_Rose
Apr 24, 2019 12:25 AM CST
The hardest thing for the roses is when you uncover them too soon. Keep them covered until all hard freezes are a thing of the past. Smiling
Name: seil
St Clair Shores, MI (Zone 6a)
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seilMI
Apr 24, 2019 2:53 PM CST
Are these roses potted or in the ground? Are you planting the crowns below the soil line? In cold zones they should be planted 4 to 6 inches below ground. I don't winter protect my roses in the ground at all. I do occasionally lose some in very cold winters (we can and do get to ten below) but most do very well. Another thing to look for when you buy roses are ones on their own roots instead of grafted. That way they won't come back as the root stock if they die all the way back.

I do protect my potted roses. They're all placed along the back, southern facing, wall of my house. I wrap the whole thing in burlap and pack it with leaves. That has worked very well for 10 yrs or more. I do this around the first week of December and they come out, usually, around the beginning of April. This year we just got them out this week because of bad weather (rain, rain, rain). But all of them are green and leafing out and I even found a bud already on one!
Name: aud/odd
Pennsylvania (Zone 6b)
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Cinta
Apr 24, 2019 7:09 PM CST
Seil I tried some Knockout roses in pots. I like the yellow one because it has a nice fragrance..I did what you described. They did not survive.

I think people that get really cold and stay cold is better than the heavy rain we get then back to almost zone 4 weather for a few weeks.

I have tried maybe 40 different roses through the yrs all were grafted. All these were planted in the garden.

This order are own root roses. First time I have tried own root other than minatures roses,
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Name: aud/odd
Pennsylvania (Zone 6b)
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Cinta
May 7, 2019 12:36 AM CST
I am already not happy with this vendor.

I sent them a request to switch out a rose. I did some research and was advised that although one was said to be zone 5 it was not good for my city. Two dys later they said it was not on sale anymore and I had to order it and submit my credit card for the difference. Also even if I did that they could not guarantee they had time to switch.

Okay, I just let it go. 5 days later I get a email they had shipped and it was a Friday. I have not had any vendors mail on a Friday and have plants sit over the weekend in 80 degree heat time of the yr. I am afraid what I am going to receive.
Zone 9, Sunset Zone 9 (Zone 9b)
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Mustbnuts
May 7, 2019 8:33 AM CST
Hang in there! I can tell that you are nervous about your new babies coming through the mail. Being own root, they are probably going to be smaller than other roses you have purchased. You may need to pot them up first before putting them in the ground. Use good houseplant potting soil in a pot to get them established. Depending on if they are bare root or not, you may need to soak the roots for a day before you put them in the pots. Let us know when you get them and we will walk you through step by step. You CAN DO THIS!
Name: seil
St Clair Shores, MI (Zone 6a)
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seilMI
May 7, 2019 5:14 PM CST
I agree with everything Mustbenuts said. You can do this! Please post a picture of the roses when you get them so we can see what they look like so we can guide you better.
Name: aud/odd
Pennsylvania (Zone 6b)
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Cinta
May 8, 2019 1:27 PM CST
Thank you Mustbnuts, SeilMN. I will post pics. It has now been 5 dys if they do not show up today that will be 6 dys. This is why I have never seen a nursery send live plants on a Friday and I do a lot of plant orders.
Name: aud/odd
Pennsylvania (Zone 6b)
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Cinta
May 10, 2019 3:02 PM CST
They have arrived. I am half satisfied. They arrived planted in quart size pots.
-Two are very nice.
-One fell out of the pot when I cut the plastic away and there was just a small root. So I pushed it down in the soil, will let them know about that one.
-The last one is pretty brown around the soil up half way and the limbs do not look healthy.

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Long Island, New York, USA (Zone 7a)
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Ray_Gun
May 13, 2019 8:09 AM CST
Good luck Cinta! A little TLC and I'm sure they'll be fine. I ordered 3 Peace HT's from Heirloom last year and they came looking just like yours; small and a little spindly. They still managed to have a few blooms but not a ton of growth. This year they're filling out more but still very short. I'm confident they'll be ok but it might be a couple of seasons yet. I don't think I'll order from them again. I got 12 own root roses from Jackson Perkins this year and they were much bigger and had more canes compared to what Heirloom sent so maybe they hold onto them longer before they sell.
Name: Steve
Prescott, AZ (Zone 7b)
Region: Southwest Gardening Roses Irises Lilies
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Steve812
May 13, 2019 9:49 AM CST
Hi Cinta,

I hear you loud and clear. And it's not you. I had similar experiences when I lived in New Jersey. I also have found that freeze/thaw cycling can be much more damaging to certain roses than constant cold. For example, here in AZ we can have 80F days in February and freezing weather at end of April. The temperature can cross freezing dozens of times in between. Most Hybrid Tea roses just die. Playboy, a floribunda that did well for me in NJ, zone 6b, I cannot keep alive here in zone 7b.

I've had way more luck with old garden roses. I think Rosa Mundi was among my first successes in NJ. The same cultivar loves it here, too. It's a gallica. Most of David Austin's roses have a good measure of gallica heritage. They do well here, too. Of the ones that arrived here in good shape, I've lost very few. Graham Thomas can be a monster, but it does grow well. I think Teasing Georgia is better. Darcy Bussell is fantastic. Ambridge Rose builds up slowly, but is worth the wait. Abe Darby can quickly reach monster size and I'm still undecided whether it merits the space it takes. Crocus Rose is a hidden gem. And I am amazed at how much shade Susan Williams-Ellis will tolerate. The best of the bunch, IMO, is Lady of Shalott.

The old roses Fantin Latour, Mme Plantier, R. alba maxima, and Marchese Bocella (aka Jacques Cartier) have done well for me in both places.

Floribunda roses have some multiflora heritage and they tend to tolerate freezing and thawing. I've been very happy here with Cherry Parfait, Day Breaker, and Rainbow Sorbet. Many minis, thanks to a little floribunda and a little wichurana blood, will also do well here. I expect they would do well there for the same reasons. There are some shrubs that work well. I succeeded with Sea Foam early on in NJ; Ballerina, Sally Holmes, Pearl Drift, Carefree Beauty, Larissa, and The Alexandra Rose, too.

There are just a tiny number of HT roses that I have found fairly dependable: Moonstone, Gemini, Big Purple, and Selfridges. I'm told by several people in the NE that Savannah is a good choice. Peace and Chicago Peace have reputations as tough roses, but I have yet to figure out how to keep them alive. I have never had a hybrid tea rose on its own roots survive being planted out of a pot here. Lack of vigor, yoyo temperatures, and even a little black spot or mildew combine to do them in - although most don't last until the fungal disease part of the year here. If that number of failed HTs here does not go into the hundreds it certainly amounts to many dozens, from at least six different suppliers on three rootstocks (own, Dr. Huey, and multiflora)

Some of the more recent cultivars such as Peach Drift and Gayle Hammond are really nicely branched and cold hardy. They grow vigorously and look good even out of bloom. They lack that high centered form, but are not without their charms.

You might look for roses in the High Country Roses catalogue. They specialize in roses that can take Rocky Mountain and high plains conditions: yo-yo temperatures, drought, high humidity, cold winters, and so on. Palatine's catalogue is good for cold hardy roses that can take humidity. And Antique Rose Emporium specializes in roses that survive warm climates with little care.

Not everything will survive. I'm pretty sure I've killed three or four roses in my garden for each one that survives there, but at last count more than 175 have established, and at high bloom they are glorious. Good Luck.

When you dance with nature, try not to step on her toes.
Long Island, NY (Zone 7a)
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MargieNY
May 13, 2019 10:54 AM CST
[quote="Steve812"]Hi Cinta,

I hear you loud and clear. And it's not you. I had similar experiences when I lived in New Jersey. I also have found that freeze/thaw cycling can be much more damaging to certain roses than constant cold. For example, here in AZ we can have 80F days in February and freezing weather at end of April. The temperature can cross freezing dozens of times in between. Most Hybrid Tea roses just die. Playboy, a floribunda that did well for me in NJ, zone 6b, I cannot keep alive here in zone 7b.

I've had way more luck with old garden roses. I think Rosa Mundi was among my first successes in NJ. The same cultivar loves it here, too.



Floribunda roses have some multiflora heritage and they tend to tolerate freezing and thawing. I've been very happy here with Cherry Parfait, Day Breaker, and Rainbow Sorbet.

There are just a tiny number of HT roses that I have found fairly dependable: Moonstone, Gemini, Big Purple, and Selfridges. I'm told by several people in the NE that Savannah is a good choice.

Happy to see your post Steve. Looking forward to seeing your photos of Rosa Mundi. Cherry Parfait, Rainbow Sorbet and Savannah all do well here. I planted Gemini today - so we will see...

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