Irises forum: Hybridizers and Their Iris

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Name: Mary
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urania1
May 14, 2019 3:57 PM CST
Someone asked me the other day whether iris hybridizers patent their creations? Do they receive royalties when others sell their hybrids? I did not know the answer, so I will post the question here.
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IrisLilli
May 22, 2019 4:11 PM CST
I've never seen a patented iris for sale anywhere. If it exists, it is uncommon as far as I know.

Someone on here will know for sure.
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tveguy3
May 22, 2019 4:40 PM CST
I have heard that Schreiners patent their irises. Not sure if that's true or not.
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Name: Evelyn
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evelyninthegarden
May 22, 2019 4:41 PM CST
urania1 said:Someone asked me the other day whether iris hybridizers patent their creations? Do they receive royalties when others sell their hybrids? I did not know the answer, so I will post the question here.


Mary ~ That's funny! My brother-in-law asked me that the other day. I told him that they were registered with the American Iris Society, but that is all I know about it.
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grannysgarden
May 22, 2019 6:10 PM CST
Once a hybridizer registers and introduces an iris anyone who buys and increases that particular iris has the right to sell the iris under the original name given by the hybridizer. The hybridizer does not receive a royalty, but makes most of their money off of the iris in the first and second year, when prices are high and no one else has had the time to buy, grow and increase the iris.

I have heard that some irises are patented. I think, like any patented item I buy and own, that I can dispose of a patented plant in any way i see fit. Smiling
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Australis
May 22, 2019 6:12 PM CST

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As far as I am aware, any plant with PBR (Plant Breeders Rights) should not be propagated and shared.
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grannysgarden
May 22, 2019 6:23 PM CST
Again, just my opinion but I think with Plant Breeders Rights, the breeder can choose to become the exclusive marketer of the variety, or to license the variety to others.

In order to qualify for these exclusive rights, a variety must be new, distinct, uniform and stable. A variety is new if it has not been commercialized for more than one year in the country of protection. That would mean the iris would be protected in its first year of commercialization...... I think.

I know Monsanto has control of a lot of seeds and I do not know how that works.
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May 22, 2019 6:30 PM CST

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I think that just means that they can still apply for PBR during the first year of commercialisation. My understanding is that PBR applies for 20-25 years, so if a plant has PBR, then the hybridiser/breeder can protect it for the first couple of decades. Actually enforcing that is another matter.
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Name: Lilli
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IrisLilli
May 22, 2019 6:36 PM CST
So, are there any patent-protected irises out there? I'm all ears!
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May 22, 2019 7:34 PM CST

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GuiseppeJ
May 22, 2019 9:25 PM CST
Schreiner's in the heyday of iris (their golden years) Schreiner's patented 3 irises over 3 years: Trim, a McKee iris, (that was promoted as a red that couldn't be beat); the the next year Giant Rose as a giant bloom and in the 3rd year Rococo as the ultimate blue plicata. Contacting them they would give you an OK to sell the increase. They ultimate there were too many backyard sellers that it was near impossible to control and gave up the effort. These are the only irises I believe have ever been patented for the reason referenced above. Irises aren't like roses and ag plants with a wide market and easy to control.
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evelyninthegarden
May 22, 2019 10:04 PM CST
Joshua, Kent and "Joe" ~ Thank You!
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ShawnSteve
May 22, 2019 10:19 PM CST
Thank you for the explanation, Guiseppe.I had noticed that Iris just didn't ever seem to come with, or ever have a label with Plant Propagation, Prohibited or P.P.A.F.. I always thought that to be rather odd, anyway, especially regarding any perennial. What was any gardener supposed to do... Prevent the plant purchased, from growing & naturally multiplying ?
Though it does seem rather unfair, to the person that spent so much time & creativity, patience, & effort, to share something with other gardeners, without much compensation, when compared to other types of plants or perennials. But the accomplishments, & awards are certainly something to be proud of, for producing such wonderful Iris, & having contributed so much, in the way of a plant, nearly essential to any flower border, for the enjoyment by so many others.
Just today, Breck's sent out an "Iris Lovers"catalog & it is nice to know that they are affordable, for so many to purchase, grow & enjoy having to flower. Quite a number of them are Dykes &/or Wister Medal winners.
Unfortunately, the names of the hybridizer, isn't mentioned & not properly given credit, as I think in all fairness, it ought to do so. I'm looking forward, to purchases made from Schreiner's & will continue to do so, for as long as I can keep on gardening !
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ShawnSteve
May 22, 2019 11:03 PM CST
I should have mentioned, the Breck's catalog does recognize one Iris hybridizer, by name. Their own; Breck's Iris Hybridizer, Christian Bedard. He works in their Iris trials in California & Ohio & obtained a master's degree at University of Montreal, in biologocal science, as a plant geneticist.

GuiseppeJ
May 22, 2019 11:14 PM CST
Christian is also the principal hybridizer for Weeks Roses. Weeks, Brecks and a slew of other formerly independent operations are now owned by Plant's Alive HQ in Ohio
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Lestv
May 23, 2019 5:24 AM CST
I want to note that Schreiner's mailed catalogs don't list the hybridizers for any of the medians or beardless iris. You have to go online for that info.

Thanks for all the info on patenting.
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ShawnSteve
May 23, 2019 10:33 AM CST
I hope matters don't continue on, like what's been happening with so many seed company names, on the front of seed packets, ( retaining the old original Seed Co. name) yet owned by Plantation Products L.L.C.
I knew about Roses & Patents, but then it started to happen with seeds, with a Sugar Snap variety, about 40 years ago.. But even Jackson & Perkins, ended up actually burning many of their own roses & later going into some part of a partnership. At some point, the market can only support , but so many growers & hopefully things don't become overly conglomerated...
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ShawnSteve
May 23, 2019 12:35 PM CST
Oh, did you actually mean Gardens Alive ? I thought after they took hold of the importation of Thompson & Morgan Seeds from the U.K. at the New Jersey location, they suddenly quit offering those seeds entirely, within the U.S. shortly thereafter !
I hope he has good business sense, to help them out, with the associated vendors. May be, that's partly why Breck's offered Iris in the catalog, as "buy now & pay later", when shipped in the fall.

GuiseppeJ
May 23, 2019 11:15 PM CST
Yes, Gardens Alive. I met one of their representatives in Salem a couple years ago and had lunch with him & Schreiner's. J&P roses went bankrupt. Word was that Gardens Alive bid for it, but the Court turned them down since it would create a monoply. His statement was that they couldn't come to an acceptable agreement between GA & J&P. Weeks saw the handwriting on the wall and sold out to GA. Tom Carruth wrote an excellent article a couple of years ago explaining the collapse of the Rose market. At the height 90 mil. bushes were sold in l990 and the decline began and by 2015 the number had dropped to something like 18 mil. In part he attributes the decline to many factors like changing life styles but most interestingly with the desire of the public to have more disease free varieties, growers began producing them. The unintended consequence was that roses just became another shrub rather then a more collector item. Hence demand declined and businesses went bankrupt.
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ShawnSteve
May 24, 2019 9:38 AM CST
I had heard on the News recently, that the younger generation is more interested in house plants, from NGA report... I suppose if a great percentage are saddled with large debt, from Education, then repayment is priority, over having gardens. Especially considering so many of those hybrid roses, were time consuming.
I should be looking forward to see whatever direction the newer Iris hybrids go. I never really considered them to be overly demanding for care. Mainly, just a sunny area & removal of some old leaves & the flower stalks...

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