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Name: Beth
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Beth_NorCal
May 14, 2019 4:15 PM CST
So, been awhile since I've gotten on. Things have been crazy. For those of you who don't know me, I lived in Paradise, CA where the most destructive wild fire in CA's history wiped out 90% of our town on November 8th last yr. My house and my craft shop were totally destroyed and all of the nearly 1800 roses I had growing on my personal property were burned to the ground. Over the months many have slowly recovered. Our lot finally got cleared up a couple weeks ago, but we're still waiting for the final asbestos clearance.The tree cutters have been dropping trees all over the town. We had 11 100ft-average Ponderosa pines on our property and a big tall, lanky oak that is the only one still standing at this point. Not sure if they are dropping it or not, as the top of it is still alive. But all the pines were more than 60% charred, so they had to go. Only problem is the idiots doing the cutting were so impatient to get them all done that they started before the cleanup and made a huge mess for the cleanup crews. Then when they were done, they came back and finished up with more trees, this time cutting in about 16ft sections and dropping them all over my rose beds. I was furious to say the least. We're still trying to find all the roses they dropped on and pushed into the ground and driving over them! In the meantime, we've been busy looking for a new house elsewhere as it's become painfully obvious we cannot return to Paradise for at least 3-5yrs, The water will be toxic for around 2-3yrs and the water company can't seem to make up its mind what to do. And the price to rebuild a new home has almost doubled in the last 6 months. Soooo... we decided to buy a house somewhere else. We're ending up in Los Molinos, which is about half hour from my husband's work in Chico, and 20 min to our older son's new place in Red Bluff. It's a little farming community where we found almost 3 acres with a walnut orchard and plenty of room to grow roses. So we are digging them all up and moving them. Escrow ends Friday and we will be moving in all the stuff we've accumulated since the fire, plus have to buy all new furnishings. It's all at once exciting, scary and exhausting!! And digging up the roses will take many trips up to Paradise, which is going to be more than an hour drive one way. Ugh!! And I've got to do it soon before they shut off our water to redo the lines. In this heat (and it's not even HOT yet) they need watering every 3 days!!! It's not going to be a fun undertaking. But it's the only thing we can do. We are too old to wait 3 or more yrs to be able to go back. Can't afford to rebuild it now anyway with the inflated pricing, and don't want to live in an RV on the property until the prices come down. So we're going to keep the property until our younger son decides if he might want to try to build on it one day. Or if someone offers us enough money we might just sell it. I hate this and I hate having to be in this situation. I want to go back to my old home!!!!

Ok enough of that. I have some pics (taken with my phone not my good camera) to share of roses that have bloomed since being dug up, along with a couple that the people here where we've been staying have that I want to ID. Supposedly they have a schematic of the rose bed somewhere, but they haven't been able to come up with it so far. Most of their roses are 20-30 yrs old. They haven't cleaned the beds in 2 yrs, and they are overloaded with weeds... grasses and VETCH! I hate that stuff!!


These are mine:
DUSTY ROSE


GAIL


GALLIVARDA


IRISH CREME - had this one marked as OKSANA, now I don't know if she survived!


LAGUNA FREELANDER


WANGUAFONG - I am soooo glad it made it! It's soooo rare!


And these are 2 of Dawn's roses that need ID:

This is an orange blend that gets beautiful spiraled blooms that have some yellow undertones, but turn more of a coral color as they age. I'm thinking maybe MARMALADE SKIES? Mine didn't bloom a lot so I don't remember exactly what it looks like. This grows about 4-5ft tall and 3-4 ft wide. Don't remember if there's a scent or not.
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This one is a gorgeous cluster flowered DARK burgundy-red that has a slight whitish reverse. (photos do not show the real color) It is very ruffled, and doesn't have any scent that I could tell. It grows about 4ft tall and 3ft wide. If it's 20-30 yrs old, I have noooo idea what it could be. It had to be something that was sold by local nurseries. Maybe a J&P or Weeks or possibly an Armstrong intro? Whatever it is I want it! Will have to try taking cuttings...

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Mustbnuts
May 14, 2019 5:20 PM CST
Beth! It is so good to hear from you! I was just thinking and talking about you today and wondering how things were going. Congrats on your new house and property. I know you will make it beautiful and eventually, it will feel like home.

You have every right to feel angry and frustrated about your Paradise property. I wish I was closer so I could help you dig up plants and at least pot them for the move.

Please continue to keep us informed on your move, house, yard, garden, roses, etc. I love the pictures but have no idea what any of those roses are, unfortunately. Please take good care of yourself and know that we are all thinking of you and sending lots of positive vibes and prayers your way.
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porkpal
May 14, 2019 6:06 PM CST
Beth you and your roses are amazing! Thanks for keeping us up to date on your continuing saga.
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KSPNW8
May 14, 2019 8:27 PM CST
Great news about your new place! It is a shame that you can't go back to your old property and live there for so many years, but the new location sounds really great. I'm looking forward to hearing about how your roses settle in. Good luck with the move!

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AnnKNCalif
May 14, 2019 8:53 PM CST
Congratulations on your new home Beth! I'm sorry about everything you've been through but I wish you well and hope you're able to recover many of your lovely roses. I see your roses on HMF all the time and I'm grateful to you for sharing your photos over the years!

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Rebekah
May 14, 2019 9:42 PM CST
I share Mustbenut's sentiment, I wish I could help you Beth, with transferring roses, it always quite the undertaking. Four years back I had a friend help move about 50 roses it would have taken me many more trips if it hadn't been for her and her trailer. (she is a very sweet lady)
Your new property sounds lovely I can't imagine having acreage or having to maintain it but it sounds wonderful! I hope it is an exciting new adventure for you and your family! Group hug
Name: Zuzu
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zuzu
May 14, 2019 9:50 PM CST

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We've all been waiting for this update, Beth. It's so good to hear from you. I'm glad you've found a good location for a new home, and I'm overjoyed that so many of your roses have survived.
Name: Carol
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Canadian_Rose
May 15, 2019 12:25 AM CST
Oh, Beth!!! I've been thinking about you so much lately, and wondering what's going on with you. Thanks for checking in with us! My goodness..your poor roses survive a fire!!! and then they get 100 foot trees dropped on them and are run over by trucks?!!! When this is all behind you, and you're relaxing in your new garden and roses are blooming all around you...think about writing this as a story of rebirth and rebuilding in a Chicken Soup for the Soul book. What an amazing story. You still have tons of work to do...but you'll get through this...and one day you'll be there...happy with your roses. I'm glad that you'll still be within driving distance of your family.

I think Rebekah's idea of getting/renting a really large U-haul would be good for getting roses to your new place. Or some sort of refrigerator truck. Green Grin! Anyway, I'm proud of you...look what you've gone through...and you're still sane. Well done!

And you have roses blooming!!! It's so hard to believe that after the fire ...they're alive!! And there you go with roses that I've never heard of before...that's wonderful!!! You have such rare roses...awesome that there are lots still left alive.

Yay for Beth!!!

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Ray_Gun
May 15, 2019 8:40 AM CST
So good to hear from you, Beth. I cannot imagine the stress you and your family must be under and am in awe of your courage and resilience as you literally uproot your life (and roses!). Congratulations on your new place it sounds like it's going to be a lovely fresh start. I know you'll make it home before long. Thanks for the update, stay strong...you got this! Group hug
Name: seil
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seilMI
May 15, 2019 9:18 PM CST
So glad to hear from you, Beth! Congrats on your new home. I know you wanted to stay in Paradise but you can't wait that long to settle somewhere and this new place sounds wonderful.

It's so great to see you have blooms again! Wish I could ID the others but I don't have any idea what they are.

Wish you all the best and an easy transition and good luck for a smooth rose move!
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Calif_Sue
May 15, 2019 9:31 PM CST

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It's been such a rough 8 months for you, but it looks like you are finally moving out of the uncertainty of what the future holds. Still so much hard work ahead but now you have a place for your roses and family.
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Name: Beth
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Beth_NorCal
May 16, 2019 6:53 PM CST
Thanks everybody! You guys are all so sweet and caring. I love all of you!!! I will post pics here and there with updates. It's going to be crazy for awhile tho til we get everything settled. I am ever so thankful we got a bit of a rainstorm going on this weekend, and maybe even for several more days. Not happy about having to move our stuff in the rain, but it's not like it's a torrential downpour (so far). It has saved me from having to run up to Paradise to water the roses in all the turmoil of moving tho!! I can relax on that note til next week! Yay!

We found out last week that the water company is going to require us all to have the backflow preventers replaced after the water meters and main lines get replaced. It will be a minimum $550 cost and has to be installed to their specs. We put a temporary valve on so we could water the roses. They probably would've nixed that idea if we had asked. Oh well, they wanna pay to replace THOUSANDS of dollars of roses when they die??? I don't think so! Just more crap we have to deal with in the aftermath of the fire.

I heard on the radio today that the investigation into the fire has come back to reveal that PG&E are in fact, definitely responsible for the fire. They have also admitted fault, so the lawsuits shouldn't take as long as the ones from all the other fires. Hopefully we will get a decent amount to compensate for our losses. But really nothing can compensate for it. I'm not one to jump on the lawsuit bandwagons, but in this case, since PG&E have seen their way to take the blame without a trial, I'm all in on it. They need to pay for their stupidity. They just can't seem to learn a lesson. Hopefully now they WILL!

So... no guesses on those 2 roses??
Name: Zuzu
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zuzu
May 16, 2019 7:54 PM CST

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My only thoughts about the two roses are these: I've never seen any yellow undertones on Marmalade Skies. Marmalade Mist has some yellow in the blooms, but its blooms aren't clustered, so that's not it. The shape of the blooms in your photos reminds me of Camelot, but again, no yellow undertones.

The other one reminds me of Black Cherry, but Black Cherry probably isn't old enough.

I was glad to see that PG&E admitted fault. That rarely happens. I hope you get fair compensation.
Name: Carol
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Canadian_Rose
May 17, 2019 12:49 AM CST
I would guess Marmalade Skies too. But I have no clue as to the red one.
Wow! What a shame that this fire could have been prevented. All the suffering/death (animals). I don't think any people died, did they?
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Calif_Sue
May 17, 2019 12:54 AM CST

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Canadian_Rose said:I would guess Marmalade Skies too. But I have no clue as to the red one.
Wow! What a shame that this fire could have been prevented. All the suffering/death (animals). I don't think any people died, did they?


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Name: Carol
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Canadian_Rose
May 17, 2019 10:09 AM CST
Oh my God! I had no idea! There are no words.
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SheilaG
Jun 17, 2019 1:00 AM CST
I am so very sorry for your loss. When I am making decisions on rose purchases, I often look for and have relied on photos you've uploaded on Helpmefind. I live in Grass Valley and have about 400 roses. I would be happy to share my list and share cuttings with you if I happen to have any that you wish to replace.

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