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Name: Zuzu
Northern California (Zone 9a)
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zuzu
Jun 1, 2019 1:25 AM CST

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Here we are at the first month of summer, but it's so different from other years. The weather here is quite pleasant -- temperatures in the low 70s for the most part, and a few days of 80-degree weather in the forecast for next week --- but it seems so abnormal. We should have hotter weather in June. Some of my cats are still sporting their bushy winter coats and some of the trees in my garden haven't leafed out yet.



The thumbnail for this month is Summer of Love, a tall and floriferous Zary hybrid tea. This was one of the J&P test panel roses shipped in 2007. It received high marks in 2008. The company was already undergoing financial difficulties and a change of ownership, however, so the rose disappeared from commerce in the United States almost immediately. I saw it in this year's Treloar catalog, so it's available in Australia. I hope it comes back here someday.
Name: Arturo Tarak
Bariloche, Rio Negro, Argentin (Zone 8a)
Roses Dahlias
hampartsum
Jun 1, 2019 3:03 AM CST
Zuzu, I love your thumbnail choice. I immediately figured that it must have pernetiana in its blood. Yes..it does so. Quite far back is Condesa de Sástago. Also Peace which also has pernetiana background. It would be a great pity if that rose doesn't return there.
Arturo
Name: Moondog
Jourdanton, TX (Zone 9a)
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Moondog
Jun 1, 2019 5:18 AM CST
It is a very pretty rose.
My Gosh, this year is flying by!
You're right about the weather. While we haven't had as much rain as y'all have in CA. and points north of Jourdanton, TX; it has been a much cooler spring than normal here. It "kinda scares me though". Hoping it don't "try to make up for it" over the next 3 months Hilarious! .
Also, I'm hoping that I can keep Brenda's roses looking good throughout the summer months.

Happy June, Y'all
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Zone 9, Sunset Zone 9 (Zone 9b)
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Mustbnuts
Jun 1, 2019 5:41 AM CST
Well, Moondoggy, we are starting to make up for it here. Will be close to 100 degrees (up and down from 90 to 100) for the next 10 days or so, unfortunately. Ugh! I sure enjoyed the extended spring for as long as it lasted.
Long Island, New York, USA (Zone 7a)
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Ray_Gun
Jun 1, 2019 9:57 AM CST
It's the same here. Mild spring and even now just getting forecasts for mid 60s low 70s. My roses don't seem to mind.

Here's some more Mister Lincoln blooms. I'm really happy with how they've been performing this year.


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Also tried my hand at a making a flower arrangement. I think these are white dahlias? I had them leftover from over a week ago from a random super market bouquet of a light apricot colored rose which I just threw away. The kitchen already smells amazing!

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Name: Lynnez
N. California (Zone 9b)
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Lynnez
Jun 1, 2019 11:02 AM CST
Zuzu, beautiful rose! We are lucky this year with mild weather.

@Carol, second bloom from my new rose from cutting. Still the same, doesn't look like Claire at all. I guess you are right, it is a sport.
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Name: Mike
Long Beach, Ca.
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Calsurf73
Jun 1, 2019 11:56 AM CST
@Ray-Gun:
Your Mr. Lincoln's look great and will be even better as they get bigger. Hurray!
The white flowers in your vase are some type of Chrysanthemums.
Name: Lynnez
N. California (Zone 9b)
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Lynnez
Jun 1, 2019 12:12 PM CST
Finally my Claire have some perfect white roses today,. So pretty!









Name: Moondog
Jourdanton, TX (Zone 9a)
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Moondog
Jun 1, 2019 1:54 PM CST
Lynnez said:Finally my Claire have some perfect white roses today,. So pretty!


WOW! Hurray! Those are really pretty

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Name: Moondog
Jourdanton, TX (Zone 9a)
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Moondog
Jun 1, 2019 3:23 PM CST
Is it best to move a rose when it is dormant? Or when is the best time to move a rose?
Thanks
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Name: Arturo Tarak
Bariloche, Rio Negro, Argentin (Zone 8a)
Roses Dahlias
hampartsum
Jun 1, 2019 4:21 PM CST
I just came in and saw your post @Moondog.... I started my fall planting plus moving. Most of my HT's do not go fully dormant so if I were to wait for that then I might as well keep waiting... Sighing! Smiling So I normally brave out and decide for them somewhere before solstice (winter here) and get both plantings and moving done just in case that severe weather sets in August. Also I want my liftings done before the real cold gets here. I decide that the bush is "dormant" when I see no new growth, or if so it is insignificant and will be dead with the next hard frosts. Of course my OGRs are much better behaved and change their leaves into lovely fall colours and sometime in fall drop them. These yes go fully dormant. This as a general rule.
Now there can be other practical reasons to move a bush at the growing stage. Can it be done? Yes, so long you provide extra care. That will imply extra watering by hand on a daily basis plus providing some shading by building a tent or igloo around & above it. Younger bushes like yours are easier to move than much larger ones. I found that my Papa Meilland 33 years old was moved , rejuvenated and pruned and produced wonderful blooms even after its first after transplant season.
What I do find growing roses, and adding quite a few more each year that my landscape design changes as it adapts to the bushes that I have in 'flesh'. So inevitably a given bush is not growing as expected . Also sometimes a given bush goes downhill and a gap is created, that needs to be filled. It again calls for moving in an adequate one. I did find that moving roses around is no big deal nor harmful for the bushes either. Every time I dig a new hole , more manure plus wool and other ammendments go in so there's an improvement of my yard. At first I felt guilty of mistreating my roses but this past season I discovered that it's so easy that I've stopped worrying about it fully. D'Oh!
Arturo
Name: Mike
Long Beach, Ca.
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Calsurf73
Jun 1, 2019 4:54 PM CST
Moondog: I've moved roses in the peak heat and humidity of summer and they did fine, amazingly.
If you ever were to go to a rose growers fields and were able to witness how they literally just get ripped out of the ground for processing and shipping you'd be shocked, yet they bounce back seemingly unscathed. It's a brutal scenario to behold but a testimony to how tough roses really are.
Name: Rosemary
Sacramento, CA (Zone 9b)
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reh0622
Jun 1, 2019 5:39 PM CST
Moomdog, I would add: Just make sure they are not moved to a place where they get too much refracted sunlight ( like against a light-colored wall) because I've lost a couple doing that.
SoCal (Zone 10a)
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SoCalGardenNut
Jun 1, 2019 5:45 PM CST
I usually move them in a fall.
Long Island, New York, USA (Zone 7a)
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Ray_Gun
Jun 1, 2019 5:56 PM CST
@carlsurf73 thank you! Yeah I look forward to their progress! And thanks for the flower id Smiling
Name: Moondog
Jourdanton, TX (Zone 9a)
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Moondog
Jun 1, 2019 8:19 PM CST
hampartsum said:I just came in and saw your post @Moondog.... I started my fall planting plus moving. Most of my HT's do not go fully dormant so if I were to wait for that then I might as well keep waiting... Sighing! Smiling So I normally brave out and decide for them somewhere before solstice (winter here) and get both plantings and moving done just in case that severe weather sets in August. Also I want my liftings done before the real cold gets here. I decide that the bush is "dormant" when I see no new growth, or if so it is insignificant and will be dead with the next hard frosts. Of course my OGRs are much better behaved and change their leaves into lovely fall colours and sometime in fall drop them. These yes go fully dormant. This as a general rule.
Now there can be other practical reasons to move a bush at the growing stage. Can it be done? Yes, so long you provide extra care. That will imply extra watering by hand on a daily basis plus providing some shading by building a tent or igloo around & above it. Younger bushes like yours are easier to move than much larger ones. I found that my Papa Meilland 33 years old was moved , rejuvenated and pruned and produced wonderful blooms even after its first after transplant season.
What I do find growing roses, and adding quite a few more each year that my landscape design changes as it adapts to the bushes that I have in 'flesh'. So inevitably a given bush is not growing as expected . Also sometimes a given bush goes downhill and a gap is created, that needs to be filled. It again calls for moving in an adequate one. I did find that moving roses around is no big deal nor harmful for the bushes either. Every time I dig a new hole , more manure plus wool and other ammendments go in so there's an improvement of my yard. At first I felt guilty of mistreating my roses but this past season I discovered that it's so easy that I've stopped worrying about it fully. D'Oh!
Arturo

I have begun trying to improve the soil around Brenda's roses but when I started digging down I discovered that when our house was built (previous owners) in 2009, They put a "pad" of heavy gravel down 1st. This extends out from the house 3'-5' all the way around the house. The soil here is "very hard" red clay to start with, then there's this gravel on top of that. The roses were then planted in this.
What I want to do is take out all of the roses and other plants, completely around the house, Use a backhoe and take out all the rock and dirt for about 5' around the house, about 12" - 15" in depth and replace with a good topsoil. Then I would put the roses back where they started. But I don't want to kill the roses. Just trying to figure out the best way of improving the soil.
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Name: seil
St Clair Shores, MI (Zone 6a)
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seilMI
Jun 1, 2019 9:35 PM CST
We haven't had any spring yet and it's already going into summer? Well not here yet. We're still in the 60s and there have been recent frost warnings at night. It was 80 the other day (one day only and back to 60s) and I about fainted from the heat! Think this is going to be the summer that wasn't for me.

Moondog, when I redid my Mom's old beds I bug out all the roses and plants and potted them up for the summer. I used any kind of pots and buckets I could find and lined them all up on the patio near the hose so I could keep them watered. We took out the beds and rebulit teired ones and filled them with fresh soil. I replanted everything in the fall when we finished the bed. The next spring when everything bloomed it was the best my garden ever looked!

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Name: Mike
Long Beach, Ca.
Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Roses Region: California Hummingbirder Farmer
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Calsurf73
Jun 1, 2019 10:45 PM CST
VERRRRRRRRRRRRRRY Nice !!!
Name: Carol
Alberta, Canada (Zone 3b)
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Canadian_Rose
Jun 2, 2019 1:57 AM CST
Seil - beautiful!!! That's a good idea for Moondog to rejuvenate his area. I never even thought of putting them in pots. And, Seil, I love your climbers in that picture!! Lovey dubby

Moondoggie - make sure you add manure, etc....(I don't grow roses in the ground...so I'm not sure what to add)....it's much easier to add goodo amendments before the roses go in.

Zuzu - I love your rose!!! Beauty!!! And your temperatures sound wonderful! We were hotter than you today...we were 28C/82F. I was outside all day doing gardening. Awesome!!

Mustbnuts - ugh Sticking tongue out that's too hot! An emoji for frying an egg on a sidewalk would be good!

RayGun - oh wow!!! I love your Mr. Lincolns...and the bouquet is amazing!!! The long Mr. Lincoln buds look exceptional next to the white flowers! Lovey dubby

Lynnez - your flowers are so beautiful!!! Way to go!!! Hurray!

All of the work in the yard is done....now just maintenance. I'm so excited for the rose season!!!

Name: Arturo Tarak
Bariloche, Rio Negro, Argentin (Zone 8a)
Roses Dahlias
hampartsum
Jun 2, 2019 2:57 AM CST
@Moondog now I understand so much better why you want to move your roses.! Your project of redoing the beds is excellent although a lot of hard work...good for you!. I tip my hat to you. I would pick up Seil's @SeilMI suggestion and just lift your roses into buckets or some type of container. I use large pastic bags for the same purpose and keep them in an half shade position with an eye on their watering needs. Perhaps every other day in the summer or even every day if it's too hot. Once the soil improvement is done you can place them back. This can be done all season along. It only requires diligent observation of your potted bushes. So you can consider redoing your beds by parts....yes of course one discovers things not exactly in the best time of the year... Hilarious! but really roses are very tough ladies...imo they seem to "understand" that's for their benefit and contribute to one's effort by growing the best they can meanwhile... Smiling
Arturo

PS. Gravel under is not necessarily a bad thing for your roses specially if your soil is hard clay. How deep is the gravel layer?. If it is between a foot or 18" deep then I wouldn't bother to remove it. It really helps for drainage. What you seem to be indicating that your soil needs ammending to improve nutrient content, aereation, and also better drainage in the upper layers. Is that so? Learning about your soil's natural properties is a life-long learning process. After gardening 35 years here I'm still trying to understand it...
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