Roses forum: Help me identify this Rose

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Happyabbie
Jun 1, 2019 1:55 PM CST
Please does anyone know the name of this Rose. It has been in my grandparents garden for as long as I can remember but we are not sure what it is called. I have asked around at shows, rose specialising nurseries. Probably put in mid 1990s and it's extremely thorny. Blooms are smaller than some my roses in the garden.
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Thank you.
Coastal Southern California (Zone 13a)
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jerijen
Jun 1, 2019 3:28 PM CST
Could it be this?
https://www.helpmefind.com/ros...

'Caribia' (Int. circa 1972)
Name: Zuzu
Northern California (Zone 9a)
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zuzu
Jun 1, 2019 3:48 PM CST

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Jeri, that HMF photo doesn't even look like Caribia (aka Harry Wheatcroft) to me. The shape of Caribia's petals is so distinct. Every photo in our database entry for the rose shows the quilled and pointed petals.



That particular HMF photo was challenged by someone who thought it might be George Burns. George Burns was the first one I thought of when I read Happyabbie's mention of the thorns. George Burns is exceptionally thorny, but the rest doesn't fit: George Burns' blooms are no smaller than the blooms of most roses, and the colors usually are more intense.

Name: Sharon Henderson
Portland, Oregon (Zone 8a)
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SharonNWRoses
Jun 1, 2019 8:27 PM CST
What about this one? Rose (Rosa 'Camille Pissarro')
Zuzu, you have this one. Does it have lots of thorns?
Name: seil
St Clair Shores, MI (Zone 6a)
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seilMI
Jun 1, 2019 9:44 PM CST
Looks like Claude Monet to me. Or maybe one of the other painters?
Name: Zuzu
Northern California (Zone 9a)
Charter ATP Member Region: California Cat Lover Roses Clematis Irises
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zuzu
Jun 1, 2019 10:21 PM CST

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Camille Pisarro does have smaller blooms, but it isn't excessively thorny and it doesn't have as many petals as Happyabbie's rose. Same story with Claude Monet: Not enough petals.

Happyabbie
Jun 9, 2019 2:22 AM CST
zuzu said:Jeri, that HMF photo doesn't even look like Caribia (aka Harry Wheatcroft) to me. The shape of Caribia's petals is so distinct. Every photo in our database entry for the rose shows the quilled and pointed petals.



That particular HMF photo was challenged by someone who thought it might be George Burns. George Burns was the first one I thought of when I read Happyabbie's mention of the thorns. George Burns is exceptionally thorny, but the rest doesn't fit: George Burns' blooms are no smaller than the blooms of most roses, and the colors usually are more intense.




It is more like 'George Burns' and the colours are quite vivid when the blooms come out at first. The Rose up until this year was restricted growth due to a very large clematis that we have since took out, unfortunately. I was looking at some sizing blooms at some roses my friends have and others locally and it would be average sized just seems smaller than some of my other roses I have here in the garden.

Thank you for your help.


Happyabbie
Jun 9, 2019 2:22 AM CST
SharonNWRoses said:What about this one? Rose (Rosa 'Camille Pissarro')
Zuzu, you have this one. Does it have lots of thorns?


I think this is possibly too light.
Name: David Tillyer
New York City
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BigAppleRoseGuy
Jun 9, 2019 9:55 AM CST
Does anyone have a Marc Chagall rose. It looks similar to Happyabbie's rose. Does it have enough petals?
David
Name: Zuzu
Northern California (Zone 9a)
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zuzu
Jun 9, 2019 11:26 AM CST

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Marc Chagall's a good match colorwise, but it's too new (2013). Happyabbie's rose has been there since the mid 1990s.
Name: David Tillyer
New York City
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BigAppleRoseGuy
Jun 9, 2019 12:08 PM CST
Very clever, Zuzu. I guess that's why you're the moderator. Good detective work!
The Marc Chagall looks like a beautiful rose.

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