Roses forum: Rose changed color and size of bloom!?

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Name: Keith
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keithp2012
Jun 7, 2019 12:30 AM CST
Last year I purchased an old fashioned giant rose in double lavender color. It had lots of beautiful flowers.

This year it had bloomed in about 30 canes, all are single roses in blood red color and half the size! Nothing was done to the rose at all and my first thought was it was grafted and it's root stock but the whole plant can't be rootstock that took over in a year!
Name: Amanda
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pepper23
Jun 7, 2019 2:26 AM CST
It did revert to root stock. Happens like that all the time. You have Dr. Huey there. For whatever reason the grafted rose didn't survive, just the root stock. That's why alot of us up north avoid grafted roses. Smiling
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Mustbnuts
Jun 7, 2019 8:41 AM CST
Ah...that is why a lot of us in the south avoid grafted roses too! Smiling
Name: Keith
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keithp2012
Jun 7, 2019 8:43 AM CST
pepper23 said:It did revert to root stock. Happens like that all the time. You have Dr. Huey there. For whatever reason the grafted rose didn't survive, just the root stock. That's why alot of us up north avoid grafted roses. Smiling


How did that happen if the original canes that bloomed lavender last year are now a completely different species? I could see if a few canes were red and some lavender but this is a total takeover! You got the rose correct is it Dr Huey. I paid $85 for this so I'm beyond upset 😡
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vaporvac
Jun 7, 2019 9:39 AM CST
Did you bury the graft? If not, it's entirely possible that the upper rose was killed by the cold so now it's dead, while the roots are still alive. The graft is very sensitive to cold. I bury mine 2" and depending on the variety, it can die all the way back to the ground, but since the graft in insulated by the soil the desired rose survives. Many people often winter protect the graft even if they don't bury it.
Name: Shawn S.
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ShawnSteve
Jun 7, 2019 9:52 AM CST
Unless the grafted portion of the rose, is a really vigorous rose variety, I don't purchase grafted ones, any more. Even in my zone, some of the grafted "old rose" or antique varieties just eventually would suddenly die. But, I'd seen other well tended hybrid teas do just fine. But now, I just stick with own root roses & don't care to deal with the appearance of the graft union, anymore., either. It was suggested for my zone, to keep it above the soil. Some root stock just don't work out very well, for the rose that grows from it..
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jerijen
Jun 7, 2019 10:10 AM CST
I'm with ShawnSteve. No more grafted roses here.

I'm looking down the hill, and the never-very-vigorous 'Cymbaline' my husband loved (and which suddenly burst out with vigorous growth this year) has revealed its change. It is no longer 'Cymbaline', but is about 75% 'Manetti'. Grumbling

No. We do NOT need 'Manetti.' It's got to go. Angry

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