Roses forum: Dr. Huey rootstock

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Name: Rosemary
Sacramento, CA (Zone 9b)
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reh0622
Jun 10, 2019 10:07 AM CST
Anybody ever have a Dr. Huey sucker coming from the bud union itself, and even stranger on the top at the beginning of a legit 3' cane close to the bud union, because that is what I suspect is happening on two of my roses, both planted new (in pots). And yet, what if it isn't; but if it is, all the energy of the plants right now are going into those two canes at the expense of the graft roses.
SW Ohio River Valley (Zone 6b)
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vaporvac
Jun 10, 2019 10:40 AM CST
Has it bloomed yet? Why do you suspect The Dr. rather than new vigorous canes of the grafted variety?
Coastal Southern California (Zone 13a)
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jerijen
Jun 10, 2019 11:04 AM CST
I'm with Vaporvac. What rose is it?
Name: Rosemary
Sacramento, CA (Zone 9b)
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reh0622
Jun 10, 2019 11:18 AM CST
The roses are Zephrine Douhin where the cane is actually on top of the bloomed cane, albeit now so large it looks like it is right against the bud union. It is now a couple of feet taller than the other canes and is completely thornless like ZD, but otherwise looks every bit like Dr. H. The other is Cl. Don Juan. It sprouted out of the bud union, but slightly from the underside of it. It has some thorns on it. If it is the cultiver, it is the first strong growth I've seen on either, although I have a half-dozen 3-4 ft. canes on ZD.
Name: Seth n Sam .....
W.V. (Zone 6a)
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Weluvroses
Jun 10, 2019 11:39 AM CST
We have some Pink Knockouts that were bought and was grafted onto Dr. Huey root stock. We have two big canes that came up out of the soil that are Dr. Huey canes. And its flowered the deep magenta red Dr. Huey Roses along with bright pink knockouts around it. It was really too pretty to cut them out.
Name: Rosemary
Sacramento, CA (Zone 9b)
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reh0622
Jun 10, 2019 12:02 PM CST
Yes, Seth, they can look so charming--I just filled a large green waste barrel with Dr. Huey last week because I had let it grow and bloom with my Cl. Cecile Brunner the past couple of years. Still have more to cut out. That one was reaching up to a 2nd floor balcony. I have another that grew up after Miss All-American Beauty rose died, and it grows along the fence now adding some springtime charm there.

Anyway, I just tried to download some pics from my ph. of ZD and Cl. DJ, but it failed. The growth on the ZD looks a little mildewed--more than the other canes.
Name: Seth n Sam .....
W.V. (Zone 6a)
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Weluvroses
Jun 10, 2019 1:30 PM CST
I'm new to Roses really. Weve only been growing them for a few years. And only had the one big Dr. Huey that we pollinated and made seed. It was the best growing one. And my wife loves it. Bc it does flower like crazy. We have a few other smaller DH but it doesnt get the flowers like the one we made. It has twice the flowers and has a deeper dark magenta color. Idk if it's best to cut the DH canes out or let them grow and flower. Last year it was very pretty. With the magenta flowers surrounded by light pink knockouts. Should the DH canes be cut out of the knockout? I understand the auxins and growth will go to the knockouts if cut out. But is there really any negative effect leaving them? I will upload a pic of that's ok, in here on your post if that's ok?
Name: Rosemary
Sacramento, CA (Zone 9b)
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reh0622
Jun 10, 2019 1:45 PM CST
They say to cut out...or better, pull the cane down and out from the roots so the energy of the roots isn't channeled into DH rather than the grafted plant which usually isn't as an aggressive grower. DH can take over the HT and the HT won't have new canes and will have stunted growth. Dr. Huey is a a once-blooming plant, even though the bloom may take place over several weeks, and the blooms last several more, and finally they turn into rose hips.
Name: Rosemary
Sacramento, CA (Zone 9b)
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reh0622
Jun 10, 2019 2:46 PM CST
Feel free to upload your pic, Seth.
Name: Seth n Sam .....
W.V. (Zone 6a)
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Weluvroses
Jun 10, 2019 5:08 PM CST
Pic of it as a whole

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The smaller knockout leaflets
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And the leaflets from the canes of what look like DH. They are identical to our DH leaflets. 3 times the size of the rose bush that flowered this year. These are new canes. They just came up this year. The knockout part already bloomed once this year. Our DH has already bloomed as well. So I dont imagine these new canes will have flowers on them.
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springfield MO area (Zone 6a)
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Frillylily
Jun 10, 2019 5:34 PM CST
Does Dr. Huey have a spicy scent alot like black pepper, and does it just bloom once in the year?
Name: Porkpal
Richmond, TX
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porkpal
Jun 10, 2019 5:51 PM CST
I don't think I have ever seen Dr Huey produce 7-leaflet leaves.
Porkpal
Name: seil
St Clair Shores, MI (Zone 6a)
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seilMI
Jun 10, 2019 8:36 PM CST
If any of those suspect canes are new this year and produce buds they are not DR, Huey. DH is a once bloomer so it will not produce buds the first year. It will only bloom on old wood, last year's or older.
Name: Seth n Sam .....
W.V. (Zone 6a)
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Weluvroses
Jun 10, 2019 9:24 PM CST
seilMI said:If any of those suspect canes are new this year and produce buds they are not DR, Huey. DH is a once bloomer so it will not produce buds the first year. It will only bloom on old wood, last year's or older.


It hasnt produced any flowers. The original knockouts around it have already flowered. I have a Dr. Huey grown from seed that was made with a previous pollination. It has already flowered. I didnt expect it to flower this year on those canes. But last year it a second year cane in the center that flowered that was DH Rose's with knockouts around it. That cane has been since removed. these two are this years canes. .
Name: Seth n Sam .....
W.V. (Zone 6a)
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Weluvroses
Jun 10, 2019 9:28 PM CST
porkpal said:I don't think I have ever seen Dr Huey produce 7-leaflet leaves.


So you dont think it's a Huey cane? I wish I would've taken pics last year. The flowers looked almost identical to our Dr. Huey monster we have.

This is our Dr. Huey grown from seed. They looked if I had to guess 95% identical to it.
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I apologize for hijacking your thread.
Name: Rosemary
Sacramento, CA (Zone 9b)
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reh0622
Jun 11, 2019 8:33 AM CST
Frillylily, DH blooms just once. Most say that there is no scent or a barely-there scent.

Seth, with 7-leaflets, maybe the rose is something other than DH.

Seil and Vaporvac, I've pretty much concluded that the CL DJ cane is bonafide DJ. The one on ZD is still suspect to me because it keeps growing and growing with no bud. Seil, how long should I wait for a bud before getting rid of it since Dr. H doesn't bloom the first year. How many feet in a pot can a ZD cane grow the first year before it blooms, I wonder?
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springfield MO area (Zone 6a)
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Frillylily
Jun 11, 2019 9:10 AM CST
okay thank you. When I was a little girl a neighbor of mine had a dark red rose that I think bloomed once a year and it smelled like pepper. It was a climber I think, she had it up against the house on a trellis. I thought it may of been this but guess not. The scent was strong and spicey for sure. I don't think she ever did a thing to care for it but it always looked great.
SW Ohio River Valley (Zone 6b)
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vaporvac
Jun 11, 2019 11:45 AM CST
Not to totally change the direction of the conversation, but I was wondering if those of you with Dr. Huey could post pics of the canes and leaves. I've always read it's low thorn. Is that true? Is it always single? I have a couple of suspects, one of which I just dug up and put in a pot, that I think are the Dr. However, they are quite thorny. One is a cutting from a rose in my very old poly bed. I'd really like an ID based on something other that the flower as mine sometimes looks exactly like Dr. Huey, but this year it's more of a semi-double flower.
Name: Porkpal
Richmond, TX
Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Keeper of Poultry Farmer Roses Raises cows
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porkpal
Jun 11, 2019 12:31 PM CST
There are quite a few good pictures of Dr Huey in the database. In my experience he is nearly thornless, sports leaves with five or three leaflets, is single to semi-double, and has almost no or almost no fragrance. Mine bloom only once but for a rather extended period of weeks, tend to suffer from black spot, and grow both strong and spindly canes.
Porkpal
Name: Rosemary
Sacramento, CA (Zone 9b)
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reh0622
Jun 12, 2019 2:53 PM CST
Update--Cl. SJ cane is starting to form a bud, so I know it's not Dr. Huey for sure. The cane on ZD is a good two feet longer than the other canes, but has no bud forming yet. Still so strange how it grew first out of a regular ZD that had bloomed. I wouldn't have thought that was possible, but since it was so close to the underside of the bud union, guess the root stock took it over...unless I'm proved wrong and a bud ZD ends up forming there.
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