Daylilies forum: How does this happen, Without pollination from another type of lily

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ZiggyZagTwo
Jun 19, 2019 7:59 PM CST
Last year was the first time any plants were transplanted from our 3 patch's of orange hybrid lily's, that had been in this spot for 17 yrs plus, Thing of it is, Ones I planted 25 ft. away had their first flowers this yr as I had planted them late last summer, They came out orange like the patch's of lily's these were transplanted from, Other ones from these three original patch's of orange lily's, I planted further away, Turn out moth like pink, with red band, circle close to the center of this flower with yellow center & even the pedals are shape a bit different. The next plant in that same area of transplants where this pink one is, Is about to bloom by tomorrow


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ZiggyZagTwo
Jun 19, 2019 8:06 PM CST
Here's the orange lily's that I had previously mention.
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Calif_Sue
Jun 20, 2019 12:23 AM CST

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Most likely bee pollinated, dropped seeds and grew these new crosses.
By the way, these aren't lilies (lilium), they are daylilies, hemerocallis. I moved your question to the Daylily forum for more input.
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blue23rose
Jun 20, 2019 4:49 AM CST
I have had a couple of daylilies come up between plants and when they bloomed, they were totally different than any of the daylilies around them. I am sure mine were bee pollinated, dropped seed, and grew new crosses as Sue said. Yours probably are too.

I try to be fastidious about removing spent blooms so they don't go to seed, but in the early years of my 'hobby' I probably didn't do it like I should have.
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Seedfork
Jun 20, 2019 6:01 AM CST
ZiggyZagTwo,
Welcome!
You might have noticed or you might not have noticed pods on some of your plants. The seed pods look a lot like buds so they are often paid no attention to. I have some plants that I never pollinate yet they end up with tons of seed pods on them. I just pulled a dozen or so pods off of 'Beautiful Edgings' and I had put no pollen on it.
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ZiggyZagTwo
Jun 20, 2019 7:06 PM CST
Thanks Cal Sue for getting me there, Out of 10 transplants, Second one, going bloom soon, I can tell, few of the others are going be pink also, Puzzles me as to why no pink ones came up in the original 3 patch's of orange lilies, that these 10 transplants came from. Anyways, Enjoyed reading your replies, There was things I didn't even think of or know about, after only getting into planting these lily plants for the first time ever, Which was last yr. Tomorrow is going be hectic day for me, I'll see about posting a pic. of second plant to bloom - pink lily, Looks like that one will be the biggest pink one to have bloom yet. Thanks to everyone who has replied here so far Smiling
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ZiggyZagTwo
Jun 20, 2019 8:56 PM CST
Why not let, Pod go to seed? If there's cross pollination among my own lilies & or from other lilies around the neighborhood, wouldn't that be like a surprise, seeing what colors or color combinations that I haven't seen & or grown yet? Besides, What if, something pops up that happens be a one of a kind color combination / patterns that hasn't been seen yet by many and or grown by anyone yet . Also, I'm still trying finish filling in one of my lily bed areas that I had started last year. If, New color or color combination pops up, I can use it to fill in that one area or if I don't want that color in that area, that I'm trying fill in, I can start a new place to plant that one lily plant
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ShakespearesGarden
Jun 20, 2019 9:17 PM CST
HI ZiggyZagTwo! Welcome! to the forum!

You may well grow something no one has seen before. Lots of folks on here are hoping to do the same thing Hilarious! There is a lot of good info and advice on here, so ask questions or search the forum. There are a number of seedling threads and seedling question threads if you're so inclined Thumbs up

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blue23rose
Jun 21, 2019 5:09 AM CST
You can definitely let them go to seed! I had some bee pollinated buds on 'South Seas', but I did not let them drop back down into the clump. I picked them, stratified them, and then planted them in a different spot. I didn't want the seeds to grow up in the mother plant clump. The only problem was, they must have been self-crosses because every one of the seedlings looked too similar to 'South Seas', so I didn't want them.
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Hazelcrestmikeb
Jun 21, 2019 5:19 AM CST
Welcome! ZiggyZagTwo Welcome!
The first one reminds me of Strawberry Candy. So much to learn and discover here.
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blue23rose
Jun 21, 2019 5:28 AM CST
@Hazelcrestmikeb, I was thinking the very same thing!
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ZiggyZagTwo
Jun 21, 2019 6:38 AM CST
I've searched & viewed Seedfork, Ran across what chad had found, with a picture of that pink lily, It's very, very close, I believe to what I have, So I'm under the impression it's called, Pencil Thin Moustache. Also I was wrong about all my other transplants from those orange lily patches coming up pink. Two more have started open up this morning, One of which, I thought was going open up to be pink & thought it would open up yesterday, But instead it's opening up today. Those two turn out to be red with yellow center. Thanks
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Seedfork
Jun 21, 2019 6:43 AM CST
ZiggyZagTwo said:Why not let, Pod go to seed?

The reason I have read to not let pods go to seed is that supposedly the process of making seed drain energy from the plant that could otherwise be used to make blossoms. I don't doubt that is true, but varieties like 'Beautiful Edgings' and 'South Seas' are such bloom makers it is hard to notice a few less blooms due to their spent energy on making pods. I have a few NOIDs (no Identification) that are the same way. Maybe there is something connected to the fact that easy bee pod makers also make tons of blooms? I suppose also that some of the energy from pod and seed formation would be diverted from the general overall health of the plant, things like forming scapes or leaves, and even how fast the plant will multiply.
Now, as previously stated above by others, there is also a reason to remove the pod and seeds before they ripen and fall to the ground. If you are growing named varieties, you don't want those seeds falling to the ground and germinating among the fans of known plants and thus creating unknown plants in the mix. I am trying my hand at some backyard hybridizing...so I have hundreds of plants grown from seed and placed in separate beds from my known varieties, so I just toss the bee pod seeds now.
Its OK, to harvest and plant your bee pod seeds if you want to see what they would look like and have extra plants. I would just recommend that you harvest the pods yourself before they pop open and plant themselves. That way you will be able to keep track of them and you will know they were seedlings, and not get them confused with any named varieties you might have. I know when the great majority of us first got into daylilies keeping up with the names was not important, but later we wished we had paid more attention and kept better records, at last made records of the names.

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ZiggyZagTwo
Jun 21, 2019 12:30 PM CST
Yes, I either forgot bc it seems like it doesn't happen that often, Family member of mine like's to pull off the old spent blooms & throws them in or near, woods. She always does this when I'm never around to notice. Here's the red one that open up today which makes sense bc the original 9 transplants from the 3 patch's of orange lilies do have small amount of red in them
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Seedfork
Jun 21, 2019 1:08 PM CST
That is a nice clear red color!
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ZiggyZagTwo
Jun 21, 2019 6:36 PM CST
I agree, Seedfork. When this lily flower first started to open up, it appeared to look like a much darker red but the more it open, the more I was liking it. Color didn't turn out super dark red like I had thought in the beginning
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ZiggyZagTwo
Jun 21, 2019 6:51 PM CST
Speaking of which, Hazelcrestmike, I showed one of my customers who brought me home today, All my lilies, She called the color of that lily - Coral Color, I'm not to good with naming colors that have slight tint variations bc depending on how much light there is, can throw me off
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Hazelcrestmikeb
Jun 23, 2019 5:51 PM CST
ZiggyZagTwo check out the hybridizers comments on the flower that yours look like.
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Calif_Sue
Jun 24, 2019 1:03 AM CST

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Hazelcrestmikeb said:ZiggyZagTwo check out the hybridizers comments on the flower that yours look like.
Daylily (Hemerocallis 'Strawberry Candy')


I didn't see any comment from Pat Stamile. Confused
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ZiggyZagTwo
Jun 26, 2019 5:55 PM CST
Thanks, That's awesome, @Hazelcrestmikeb @Calif_Sue ( Straw Berry Candy ) So many slight variations - Even with the same colors & differences of the flowers pedals, shapes and sizes Smiling
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