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Name: Joel
Iowa (Zone 5a)
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joelsted
Jul 31, 2019 3:17 PM CST
[quote="kousa"]@joelsted Thanks Joel for posting the above seedlings from All things to all men and Quoting Hemingway. I have seen that many good looking seedlings come out of All Things to All Men and yours are no exception. They look great! I am also very glad to see QH kids. That white edge is very striking on both of the seedling above. Can I ask whether the above QH seedlings blooms have a splotchy tendency?

Hi Karen, Thanks for the kind comments. I was only able to see three blooms on each plant. This is the first year they bloomed, surviving a very cold Iowa winter. The other blooms were more blotchy. Hoping this isn't the norm and that next year they clean up a bit. Pretty happy so far. I really wasn't sure this cross was going to pull through the minus 30 degree temps. I'll upload a not so pretty pics. To be fair this was taken pretty late in the day of both sibs next to each other.





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Name: Joel
Iowa (Zone 5a)
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Jul 31, 2019 3:44 PM CST
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Name: Karen
Southeast PA (Zone 6b)
Celebrating Gardening: 2015
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kousa
Jul 31, 2019 5:10 PM CST
Wonderful seedlings Gerry and Joel. It does seem that a lot of tet daylilies with modern genetics don't look half as good in the late afternoon compared to early mornings. I wonder if I would be able to sell any daylilies if I make a note that the daylilies don't look in the late afternoons showing pics of them early in the morning and late afternoon for comparison. Smiling Smiling

Anyhow, here are some seedling that I tried posting this morning but did not load.

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Name: Trina
Idaho (Zone 7a)
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flowerpower35
Jul 31, 2019 5:54 PM CST
Wow, great seedlings everyone! Hurray! Drooling Here is a seedling I gave to my friend for her birthday this month, she sent me this picture this morning.
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Here are the siblings in this cross just to show how different they all can be:

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#201

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#203

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#204

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#205
#206-Didn't bloom
Of course 204 is my favorite of the bunch.
Name: Ashton & Terry
Jones, OK (Zone 7a)
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kidfishing
Aug 1, 2019 10:42 AM CST
We would like some relief from this heat dome. I want to start selecting seedlings and building new raised beds. Not doing this while it is mid 90's all the way till dark. The re-blooming seedlings are showing the heat and drought effects with blooms getting much smaller and losing some buds. Also losing some late formed pods.

kousa said:Wonderful seedlings Gerry and Joel. It does seem that a lot of tet daylilies with modern genetics don't look half as good in the late afternoon compared to early mornings. I wonder if I would be able to sell any daylilies if I make a note that the daylilies don't look in the late afternoons showing pics of them early in the morning and late afternoon for comparison. Smiling Smiling


Karen your seedling are very nice as well.
All the elements affect the blooms over time. It has been near 100f with heat indexes 105f -110f so no way a bloom is not affected and no way it looks the same as it did at 77f early am. We can call all of them color changers and ask more for them. Thumbs up Hilarious!

josieskid said:Kidfishing,
Wish I could do that neat quoting thing. Was just gonna say that counting that many would probably take some time!
"He thinks there is a way to chemically treat seeds and convert from dip to tet" This sounds exciting! Hurray! I hope it's true! Let us all know! Hurray!
"He wants to convert the diploid seedlings so he has the only ones of them to use." He should do it! Thumbs up He is gonna be rich and famous one day Thumbs up

Mary, right down at the bottom of each post is a little blue Quote. Click it to open a new post with the quote. You can cut out any part of it and only leave what you want.

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We don't count seeds but I have an idea of how many ziploc bags go in the fridge. If we have any idea of an average number of seeds, we can calculate within a few thousand. So far we should have 4000-5000 seeds in the fridge so we are not yet at 50% harvested. We have a process to go directly from the pod to either the fridge in moist vermiculite or directly from the pod into a cup, seed tray, or pot. We don't dry seeds unless they dry before we harvest them. The only reason to dry them is to go to cold dry storage, but if we do that we just add a piece of paper towel to absorb the moisture. This way we can process all seeds harvested everyday. It all takes time every evening.

I don't think there are real financial riches to come from daylilies except the riches of their enjoyment and the riches of wonderful people who we come into contact with because of them.

Ashton is trying to plan his future to be able to continue his gardening and hybridizing.

So we have studied this chemical conversion process a little since 2011. We attended a regional and Jamie Gossard did a demo of the conversion process of a plant with everything except the real chemicals. Ashton was 11 at the time and has always thought he may like to try someday.
If you did not know, there have never been any naturally occurring tetraploid daylily plants ever reported. All daylily tetraploids are believed to be the results of chemically induced chromosome change.

The who's who in daylily history did all this work years ago and now we are piggy backing on their paved pathway. They have converted diploid seeds to tetraploid and most everyone knows about converting diploid plants to tetraploid. Now days it does not seem that anyone wants to convert seeds, only the plants are being done. We will have to study the chemicals a little more and reach back out to a couple of our connections who convert plants frequently.

I do have some tests on conversions and seedlings in our garden that will give results soon.

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Name: Sue Petruske
Wisconsin (Zone 5a)
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Aug 1, 2019 9:46 PM CST
josieskid said:So beautiful, Joel!

I'm waiting for the grass to dry so I can mow it. I got a nice rain yesterday! Too wet out there to mow or weed, and not much blooming, so I get the morning off!

Years ago, 1980's, I ordered some daylilies from Gilbert H. Wild. This was one of them. I can't remember the name.
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So last year I put pollen from White Eyes Pink Dragon on it. I got 1 pod with 2 seeds in it! What's up with Tets? Diploids give you gobs more seeds! Anyway, here are the two siblings.
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@josieskid, Do you think it could be Apricot Peace? I ordered this, pretty sure from Gilbert Wild, quite a while ago. Not as long ago as yours. Here is a picture of (my) Apricot Peace.



Name: Mary
Crown Point, Indiana (Zone 5b)
josieskid
Aug 2, 2019 7:17 AM CST
Sue, it could be, the color is right. I'll have to see if I have more pics of mineand compare them. I'll let you know. Thank you! Hurray!
I are sooooo smart!
Name: Mary
Crown Point, Indiana (Zone 5b)
josieskid
Aug 2, 2019 7:36 AM CST
Kidfishing, this is the first I've heard about treating seeds. When I get the time I'm gonna look into it further. Gotta spend the day pressure-washing the house and garage!

I briefly googled about colchicine yesterday and out of the blue saw this:

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Dr. Robert Griesbach was active in both areas. He introduced many glads that were highly ruffled and with heavy, waxy substance. And he induced tetraploidy in daylilies by colchicine-treating diploid seeds from Orville Fay.

Thanks for telling me about the quote button. Do you just add your comment at the end of the quote itself? There is no box at the bottom to put your own words.
I are sooooo smart!
Name: Tracey
Midwest (Zone 5a)
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magnolialover
Aug 2, 2019 8:26 AM CST
Dr. Robert Griesbach was instrumental in introducing tetraploid into daylilies and lilium.
Name: Ashton & Terry
Jones, OK (Zone 7a)
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Hummingbirder Region: United States of America Daylilies Region: Oklahoma Butterflies Celebrating Gardening: 2015
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kidfishing
Aug 2, 2019 9:05 PM CST
josieskid said:Kidfishing, this is the first I've heard about treating seeds. When I get the time I'm gonna look into it further.
Thanks for telling me about the quote button. Do you just add your comment at the end of the quote itself? There is no box at the bottom to put your own words.


I was going to joke with you about Daniel asking if you are going to get Tet RFK and tell you to just convert your dip RFK seeds.
I am sure making the exact concoction for this process is a bit of a task. It is not only colchicine.

Yes, at the end of quote just type your message.
My pleasure to inform.
Kidfishing
Name: Mary
Crown Point, Indiana (Zone 5b)
josieskid
Aug 3, 2019 7:27 AM CST
kidfishing said:

I was going to joke with you about Daniel asking if you are going to get Tet RFK and tell you to just convert your dip RFK seeds.
I am sure making the exact concoction for this process is a bit of a task. It is not only colchicine.

Yes, at the end of quote just type your message.
My pleasure to inform.


Ok, I'm trying this kidfishing! It better work!

I are sooooo smart!
Name: Mary
Crown Point, Indiana (Zone 5b)
josieskid
Aug 3, 2019 7:30 AM CST
It works! I like it and it's easy! Hurray! Hurray! Hurray!
I are sooooo smart!
Name: Karen
Southeast PA (Zone 6b)
Celebrating Gardening: 2015
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kousa
Aug 3, 2019 9:29 AM CST
flowerpower35 said:Wow, great seedlings everyone! Hurray! Drooling Here is a seedling I gave to my friend for her birthday this month, she sent me this picture this morning.
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Believe In Miracles X Spacecoast Sea Shells #202

Here are the siblings in this cross just to show how different they all can be:

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#201

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#203

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#204

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#205
#206-Didn't bloom
Of course 204 is my favorite of the bunch.

Thank You! for showing the sibs of this cross, Trina! It is such a thrill and amazement to see the different faces that each seed of the same cross produces. Some crosses seem to produce very different looking seedlings and then there are some crosses that produce seedlings looking very alike. I think you get more diversity in looks with tets than dips.
Name: Mary
Crown Point, Indiana (Zone 5b)
josieskid
Aug 3, 2019 9:52 AM CST
I agree Karen, fascinating!
I are sooooo smart!
Name: Robin
Southern Michigan (Zone 6a)
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RobinSeeds
Aug 3, 2019 10:24 AM CST
josieskid said:

Years ago, 1980's, I ordered some daylilies from Gilbert H. Wild. This was one of them. I can't remember the name.
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I thought it looked like my 'Pride of Father'


God blessed me with dirt.
('Mipii' on The LA)
Name: Mary
Crown Point, Indiana (Zone 5b)
josieskid
Aug 3, 2019 11:14 AM CST
Robin, just looked up Pride of Father in the database. That's not it. It's far too gorgeous! Rolling on the floor laughing
I are sooooo smart!
Name: Robin
Southern Michigan (Zone 6a)
Region: Michigan Seller of Garden Stuff Seed Starter Cat Lover Daylilies Million Pollinator Garden Challenge
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RobinSeeds
Aug 3, 2019 1:57 PM CST
Mary...daylilies are always greener in someone else's garden... Rolling on the floor laughing
God blessed me with dirt.
('Mipii' on The LA)
Name: Mary
Crown Point, Indiana (Zone 5b)
josieskid
Aug 3, 2019 2:03 PM CST
Oh, I don't know, Robin. My apricot daylily is mainly boring. Rolling on the floor laughing
I are sooooo smart!

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