Roses forum: Pink edged whites/cremes

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Name: Arturo Tarak
Bariloche, Rio Negro, Argentin (Zone 8a)
Roses Dahlias
hampartsum
Jul 15, 2019 8:59 AM CST
This is a copy/paste comment around a beautiful picture of 'Nostalgie'
As a comment about Rose (Rosa 'Nostalgie'), hampartsum wrote:
This rose reminds me a lot of Double Delight. The latter I have in my yard, but not this one. I wonder as a comparison those that grow it what could they comment. I also searched the HMF Dbase and there's no information about its lineage/parentage. Any suggestions?
I invite RF readers to add others that come to their mind. Of the top of my hat I can also suggest 'Cherry Parfait' AKA Jubile du Prince du Monaco

Name: Carol
Alberta, Canada (Zone 3b)
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Canadian_Rose
Jul 15, 2019 11:52 AM CST
Oh wow!!!! I'm gobsmacked!!! I love using that word. Hilarious! They are all stunning! I especially love your Cherry Parfait!!! Oh my!!! That Nostalgie is amazing too!!
Name: Zuzu
Northern California (Zone 9a)
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zuzu
Jul 15, 2019 1:53 PM CST

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Nostalgie is different from the other two when it's fully open. It starts out high centered, but then opens flat, so that the edging on the inner petals is hidden and the bloom looks like a white flower with a contrasting ring.



In this respect, it's more similar to Angel Bells than to Cherry Parfait or Double Delight.

Name: Zuzu
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zuzu
Jul 15, 2019 1:57 PM CST

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Sheer Magic is another one with the contrast largely confined to the outer edge of the bloom.

Name: Seth n Sam .....
W.V. (Zone 6a)
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Weluvroses
Jul 15, 2019 4:58 PM CST
Nostalgie
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Eden Climber does that somewhat.
My favorite light cream climber. We ordered one last week. But went with pretty in pink eden. Not my tastes, the boss(wife) wanted it lol. I wanted the original. But it still hasnt been shipped. Against my better judgement we ordered if off of Ebay. Hopefully it gets shipped soon. It needs as much time in the ground as possible. To survive.
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Name: seil
St Clair Shores, MI (Zone 6a)
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seilMI
Jul 15, 2019 6:50 PM CST
Since bi-colors are my favorites I've had a lot of different ones but I notice most of them are minis and minifloras.
Baldo Villegas, miniflora
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California Dreamin, HT
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Crescendo, HT, beautifuk rose but not very hardy
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Dr Jim Herring, miniflora
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Double Take, mimiflora, always thought this woukd be a good one for a Hi-lo exhibition with Double Delight
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Iobelle, HT, one of only a few Buck HTs.
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Kristin, miniature
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Mrs, Robinson, floribunda, not a lot of singles that are bi-color
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Magic Show, miniature
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Picotee, miniature
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Summer Fashion, floribunda, gorgeous but it was the worst rose I ever had.
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Soroptimist International, miniture
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X-Rated, miniature, miniature
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Name: Carol
Alberta, Canada (Zone 3b)
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Canadian_Rose
Jul 15, 2019 7:32 PM CST
Zuzu - oh my!!! Lovey dubby Swoon!!! I loved your Nostalgie picture...and then I saw your Sheer Magic and I was blown away!!! Gorgeousness overload!!! Lovey dubby Lovey dubby

Seth - it's always good to defer to the boss. Happy Wife, Happy Life as the saying goes. Whistling Hilarious! That's a lovely nostalgie picture, too.

Seil - I can't believe you grow all of those gorgeous roses!!!! Lovey dubby Lovey dubby Lovey dubby Lovey dubby Drooling Lovey dubby Lovey dubby Lovey dubby My favorites (they make my heart sing) are Iobelle, Double Take, Kristin, and Mrs. Robinson. Oh my goodness!!!! Swoon!!

Name: seil
St Clair Shores, MI (Zone 6a)
Roses Garden Photography Region: Michigan
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seilMI
Jul 16, 2019 8:16 AM CST
I don't have them all now. These are from my database of all the roses I've had over the years. I've cut down my inventory from 130 to 73 and will probably cut it more over time.
Name: Arturo Tarak
Bariloche, Rio Negro, Argentin (Zone 8a)
Roses Dahlias
hampartsum
Jul 16, 2019 10:24 AM CST
I just remembered this one now winter dormant here.:

Thank you @seilMI for uploading your photos. I do find the specifically pink edging so charming. That is why I started this thread. There's something about delicate blushing in all of them. Irresistible... Perhaps imo the very feminine of all rose bloom type... perhaps that's why Kordes called it Perfekta. If ever Nostalgie reaches these shores it has been listed in my wish list... Interestingly within the modern shrub roses ( including DA's) I haven't seen this particular color combination. Imagine a fully quartered bloom with its central petals white/cream and the outer ring coloured blush pink...and fully fragrant....well there's always room for imagination of beauty.
Arturo
Name: Lyn
Weaverville, California (Zone 8a)
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RoseBlush1
Jul 16, 2019 1:31 PM CST
Arturo ...

Quick note: You are confusing roses that are called a "Blend" with "Bi-color".

The photo of the rose above is a perfect example of a rose which is a "pink blend".

From Zuzu's post, 'Nostalgie', 'Angel Bells' and 'Sheer Magic' are all consider blends as are most in Seil's post.

Most of the time, a bi-color rose has one prominent color on the upper surface of the petal and another color on the reverse:

Two Examples:

'Biola Centennial'
Rose (Rosa 'Biola Centennial')



'Blastoff'
Rose (Rosa 'Blastoff')



Gotta go ..

Happy Rosing .... Smiling
I'd rather weed than dust ... the weeds stay gone longer.
Name: Carol
Alberta, Canada (Zone 3b)
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Canadian_Rose
Jul 16, 2019 2:19 PM CST
Seil - yes, I have tons of roses that I don't have anymore too. Blinking

Arturo - GASP! That's gorgeous!!!! Lovey dubby I want it!!!!



Name: Arturo Tarak
Bariloche, Rio Negro, Argentin (Zone 8a)
Roses Dahlias
hampartsum
Jul 16, 2019 3:31 PM CST
@Roseblush1 Yes Lyn you are correct about denominations. There are bicolors and bi-colored blends. However their differences, there seems a lot of coincidence of how the eye perceives them. The KP I posted has visible pink edges and that is how the eye sees it on the bush. The reverse that is full pink is hidden from vision when looking it from above. In my perception of forms and colours , I was trying to highlight the edging effect. This type of edges that act as a frame appear in other pairs such as red and yellow, orange and yellow. But also within the same colour band such with different reds. All of which makes rose growing so fascinating. thank you for pointing it out! Thank You!
Name: Lyn
Weaverville, California (Zone 8a)
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RoseBlush1
Jul 16, 2019 4:30 PM CST
That's true, Arturo ...

Over time, the distinction has become less clear when roses are registerd. For example 'Ketchup & Mustard' is a true bi-color, but it was registered as "red blend"

Rose (Rosa 'Ketchup & Mustard')

:

Same with Rosie O'Donnell'

Rose (Rosa 'Rosie O'Donnell')



The sport of RO, 'Trump Card', was registered as a pink blend

Rose (Rosa 'Trump Card')



I'd rather weed than dust ... the weeds stay gone longer.
Name: seil
St Clair Shores, MI (Zone 6a)
Roses Garden Photography Region: Michigan
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seilMI
Jul 16, 2019 4:47 PM CST
I've had lots of true bi-colors also but I don't think of them as that. I always think of them as reverses. And I do differentiate between blends and bi-colors. Bi-colors in my mind have that distinct one color in the center and one color on the edge, like Double Delight. Blends are more of a shadings of the same color to me, like Granada

Reverse, Fire n Ice.
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Bi-color, Double Delight
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Blend, Granada
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Name: Arturo Tarak
Bariloche, Rio Negro, Argentin (Zone 8a)
Roses Dahlias
hampartsum
Jul 16, 2019 4:51 PM CST
Actually there are so many different aspects to look into roses that my purpose of choosing just one, is to help readers/viewers to focus/observe in detail. By comparing similar coloured roses one is startled to find so many slight differences within just the same colour palette/scheme.

In this case the bicolour is reversed Pink center with white edges..A very beautiful rose that I hope to get hold of here. It is found in this country. But if one were to reverse the colouring scheme would it have the same character to it?. I would say no imo. But of course I invite others to go through this excercise. The Dbase here is enormous and very easy to access. It is really worthwhile to spend many hours searching for material in the choice of roses. I'm all for diversity. I'm all for the preservation of diversity ( old garden roses or modern shrubs) This will happen if many more growers enjoy learning, caring and understanding roses. Some have large collections ( 1000 plus bushes). But I assume that all started with just a few bushes.
Arturo
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Name: Arturo Tarak
Bariloche, Rio Negro, Argentin (Zone 8a)
Roses Dahlias
hampartsum
Jul 16, 2019 5:57 PM CST
In this case, a Delbard bicolor that I grow, the colour is predominantly red:

Out in the garden one has to look hard to recognize it as a bicolour. Something that I myself had to return to observe when I read that it is a bicolour! So from the observer's eye, the white reverse appears more like a shimmer of light. That of course makes this rose so attractive! I bet most unaware passers by would stand for just a red rose... Smiling

Oh Seil that Granada is a must in my yard...I hope to get it soon... Crossing Fingers!
I wonder if Fire n Ice as seen from a distance looks like Alleluia.

Arturo
Name: Carol
Alberta, Canada (Zone 3b)
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Canadian_Rose
Jul 16, 2019 6:04 PM CST
I see them as Seil does. Blinking nodding Your Granada is insanely gorgeous!!!

Arturo - I have Granada new this year...but it is a powdery mildewy mess (along with many others I have Sighing! )...since all we get is rain here. Actually, next week we're supposed to have a few sunny days!!! Hurray! Your Alleluia is sigh-able in a good way!! Lovey dubby
Name: Porkpal
Richmond, TX
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porkpal
Jul 16, 2019 7:49 PM CST
Seil's use of the terminology makes the most sense to me.
Porkpal
Name: Arturo Tarak
Bariloche, Rio Negro, Argentin (Zone 8a)
Roses Dahlias
hampartsum
Jul 17, 2019 4:03 AM CST
porkpal said:Seil's use of the terminology makes the most sense to me.

Yes, @porkpal . I find many times difficulties with formal denominations when they are inconsistent with what the viewer perceives. At the opening of this thread I tried to focus on the rim effect... Smiling However as the thread moved naturally different viewers contributed their perceptions and that is what makes rose growing so fascinating.
Arturo

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