Roses forum→Hoping to find a red climber

Page 1 of 2 • 1 2
Views: 2266, Replies: 30 » Jump to the end

krun422
Jul 16, 2019 9:11 AM CST
Hi all,
My name is Karen and I live in Salt Lake City, UT zone 7A. I am new to the forum and to roses pretty much. We just moved and our new home has a white sunny porch. I want to grow a red climbing rose up both ends of the porch. The height to the top from the ground is about 11 feet. A red rose would really look great with the brick on our home. I was hoping to find a red climber that will reach at least 14ish feet. Can Don Juan get that tall? Are there any others others that might work? I do hope to get a repeat bloomer.
Thanks in advance!
Karen
Name: Seth n Sam .....
W.V. (Zone 6a)
Image
Weluvroses
Jul 16, 2019 9:38 AM CST
Blazed Improved, Blaze, Lady in Red, Don Juan, Joseph's Coat, Red Eden, Dublin Bay, Dortmund, CL Crimson Glory, Crimson SkyCL Étoile de Hollande.

Those are all red Roses, and listed atleast 8-11 foot.
SW Ohio River Valley (Zone 6b)
Image
vaporvac
Jul 16, 2019 10:32 AM CST
Fields of the Wood, aka Climbing Rhode Island Red aka Climbing Red Kocher is also a lovely fragrant Red. You might also look into Red Fountain and Illusion. I adore Florentina, but I'm not sure it would get quite that high. If you don't mind a smaller flower look into Cl. Orange Triumph (it's red not orange!) or for Teeny flowers the charming Red Cascade. Of course, there's always Cadenza and Orfeo. I personally wouldn't consider Joseph's Coat a red. The issue is how much rebloom and fragrance you desire and which will hold up to your intense sun. They should all be hardy enough. Lady in Red is a very intense red veering to the oranger side, while Cl. Crimson Glory and EdH are more subtle blue reds and extremely fragrant. If you got Cl.CG you could plant the bush form at her feet. I'll have to think a bit more, but I grow most of these.
If you're looking for a once-bloomer Chevy Chase is gorgeous with a long period of bloom. If you decide on a taller climber with sparse rebloom or once-bloomer you could always plant a shorter one or one with smaller blooms that repeats well to intertwine, hide the bare legs and fill out the lankier climber. Here I'm thinking of something like the above mentioned Dortmund, Crimson Sky or Love Knot. You could even use another colour in this case. I think you've been given a great start!
[Last edited by vaporvac - Jul 16, 2019 10:49 AM (+)]
Give a thumbs up | Quote | Post #2023543 (3)
Name: Seth n Sam .....
W.V. (Zone 6a)
Image
Weluvroses
Jul 16, 2019 7:14 PM CST
The picture used for Lady in Red Weeks advertising is amazing. I watched the 2017 or 2018 California trial gardens video with Christian Bédard showing the gardens. And the lady in red in the video the red is just so loud and piercing. And it's a young plant like 8 feet tall. I think he said it's a 2nd year bush. And it is absolutely covered in flowers.
SW Ohio River Valley (Zone 6b)
Image
vaporvac
Jul 16, 2019 7:44 PM CST
It is a very intense color. Which is a plus and a minus! It overwhelms any other Rose next to it but it makes a magnificent statement Rose. Here is mine while it was still in a pot. I will post pics when it finally decides to do something in the ground as I only just put it there a couple of weeks ago and it's leafing Carapex from last year when it was still in a pot.


Thumb of 2019-07-17/vaporvac/49bb66


Thumb of 2019-07-17/vaporvac/44463d

[Last edited by vaporvac - Jul 17, 2019 11:57 AM (+)]
Give a thumbs up | Quote | Post #2023940 (5)
Name: Seth n Sam .....
W.V. (Zone 6a)
Image
Weluvroses
Jul 17, 2019 6:30 AM CST
It's so gorgeous. I'm gonna have to get me one at some point. Tomorrow is tree day. To finally get this giant nasty pine tree outta here. To open up a bunch of sun, and space for Roses. I'm hoping to get about 18-20 roses in the new spot. Depending on how much room I actually end up with. I'm thinking 4-5 foot by 35 ft give or take. And lady in red will definitely be one if I can get it.
Coastal Southern California (Zone 13a)
Image
jerijen
Jul 17, 2019 11:08 AM CST
And don't forget 'Fourth of July' -- though it's red and white . . .
Thumb of 2019-07-17/jerijen/200f7f

Name: Rosemary
Sacramento, CA (Zone 9b)
Image
reh0622
Jul 17, 2019 1:04 PM CST
Regan Nursery has some new own root red climbers that will be available for sale bareroot in Jan. The tallest is 10-12 ft.
Name: Arturo Tarak
Bariloche, Rio Negro, Argentin (Zone 8a)
Roses Dahlias Irises Plant Lover: Loves 'em all!
hampartsum
Jul 17, 2019 3:51 PM CST
@krun422 Karen, I was wondering about your choices. Perhaps my first question is about your colour choice: red. With the background of bricks, reds will tend to fade into the back colour and won't be as visible, so would orange-reds. What will stand out is the greenery of the foliage. On the contrary, whites will be stand out in contrast. When Jeri posted Fourth of July that is almost a non stop bloomer but striped in with white, my immediate reaction was this ought to fit best. Of course I don't have an idea what white porch means.( the general colour of the background) The wooden structure is painted white? Would you want to plant exactly the same on both ends How far apart are the posts on either end?. Perhaps two different ones that complement each other could be an alternative too.
Arturo

krun422
Jul 30, 2019 7:07 AM CST
Weluvroses said:Blazed Improved, Blaze, Lady in Red, Don Juan, Joseph's Coat, Red Eden, Dublin Bay, Dortmund, CL Crimson Glory, Crimson SkyCL Étoile de Hollande.

Those are all red Roses, and listed atleast 8-11 foot.


OMG the Etoile de Hollande is gorgeous! If I can find that one it will be on my list as will the Blaze improved. I do love that the Blaze will rebloom.
Thank you!

krun422
Jul 30, 2019 7:32 AM CST
vaporvac said:Fields of the Wood, aka Climbing Rhode Island Red aka Climbing Red Kocher is also a lovely fragrant Red. You might also look into Red Fountain and Illusion. I adore Florentina, but I'm not sure it would get quite that high. If you don't mind a smaller flower look into Cl. Orange Triumph (it's red not orange!) or for Teeny flowers the charming Red Cascade. Of course, there's always Cadenza and Orfeo. I personally wouldn't consider Joseph's Coat a red. The issue is how much rebloom and fragrance you desire and which will hold up to your intense sun. They should all be hardy enough. Lady in Red is a very intense red veering to the oranger side, while Cl. Crimson Glory and EdH are more subtle blue reds and extremely fragrant. If you got Cl.CG you could plant the bush form at her feet. I'll have to think a bit more, but I grow most of these.
If you're looking for a once-bloomer Chevy Chase is gorgeous with a long period of bloom. If you decide on a taller climber with sparse rebloom or once-bloomer you could always plant a shorter one or one with smaller blooms that repeats well to intertwine, hide the bare legs and fill out the lankier climber. Here I'm thinking of something like the above mentioned Dortmund, Crimson Sky or Love Knot. You could even use another colour in this case. I think you've been given a great start!


I appreciate all your suggestions. I like them all and I'm intrigued by the mini blooms of the Red Cascade. And I would not have considered Orange triumph just by the name. The pics I found of the flowers are very pretty. Just searching the internet doesn't turn up that many possibilities, so thank you very much!

krun422
Jul 30, 2019 7:33 AM CST
vaporvac said:It is a very intense color. Which is a plus and a minus! It overwhelms any other Rose next to it but it makes a magnificent statement Rose. Here is mine while it was still in a pot. I will post pics when it finally decides to do something in the ground as I only just put it there a couple of weeks ago and it's leafing Carapex from last year when it was still in a pot.


Thumb of 2019-07-17/vaporvac/49bb66


Thumb of 2019-07-17/vaporvac/44463d



Wow! I love that red. Gorgeous!!!


krun422
Jul 30, 2019 7:36 AM CST
jerijen said:And don't forget 'Fourth of July' -- though it's red and white . . .
Thumb of 2019-07-17/jerijen/200f7f


Thank you, that one is adorable!


krun422
Jul 30, 2019 7:55 AM CST
hampartsum said:@krun422 Karen, I was wondering about your choices. Perhaps my first question is about your colour choice: red. With the background of bricks, reds will tend to fade into the back colour and won't be as visible, so would orange-reds. What will stand out is the greenery of the foliage. On the contrary, whites will be stand out in contrast. When Jeri posted Fourth of July that is almost a non stop bloomer but striped in with white, my immediate reaction was this ought to fit best. Of course I don't have an idea what white porch means.( the general colour of the background) The wooden structure is painted white? Would you want to plant exactly the same on both ends How far apart are the posts on either end?. Perhaps two different ones that complement each other could be an alternative too.
Arturo


Hi Arturo, yes the porch rails, trim and posts are white. Not sure how to describe the brick but it's not super red. It's kinda whitewashed. I got the idea for a red rose from my hanging basket of red geraniums. I attached a photo. The porch is probably 15 feet wide and I was hoping to plant the same rose on both ends. I do like that the Fourth of July is a non stop bloomer and it is certainly cute.
Thank you!


Thumb of 2019-07-30/krun422/783290

Name: Porkpal
Richmond, TX
Charter ATP Member Dog Lover Cat Lover Keeper of Poultry Keeps Horses I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
Garden Ideas: Level 2 Plant Identifier Raises cows Roses Farmer Celebrating Gardening: 2015
porkpal
Jul 30, 2019 8:39 AM CST
4th of July does have significant thorns - something to consider.
Porkpal
Name: Arturo Tarak
Bariloche, Rio Negro, Argentin (Zone 8a)
Roses Dahlias Irises Plant Lover: Loves 'em all!
hampartsum
Jul 30, 2019 9:37 AM CST
Karen, as you get familiar with roses, your choices will leap about!. In my dim perspective I would definitely add some espaliered climbers onto the outside of the white porch railings that I just peeped in your picture...of course my view is so skewed towards roses that I never seem to have enough of them... Sighing! Drooling
However a white sunny porch with all sorts of roses, some in large pots could make that place become a dream of heaven on earth! Rolling my eyes. Please keep in mind that you don't have to make the right choice from day 1. Again as you become increasingly aware of the fabulous choices of roses, you will find 'needing' many more than you initially suspected ever. Drooling *Blush* This is not necessarily bad. During their first 4/5 years even ground planted roses can be moved about with ease! Hilarious!
Arturo
SW Ohio River Valley (Zone 6b)
Image
vaporvac
Jul 30, 2019 11:15 AM CST
Yes, Arturo! My mind is going crazy with the possibilites for her! I'm thinking the brick wall needs some rose growing up it! I, of course, love soft pinks for this, but which one would depend on which red is chosen. Seeing the colour of the brick I might choose a darker red similar to the geranium. Even a larger rose such as Dark Desire might do on the fence and then the only tying up would be on the wall. Since you are in a dry climate with little BS pressure, the choices are many, driven only by questions of which blooms fry in the intense sun.
Another red choice for the fence is the David Austin Rose Tess of the d'Urberville. It can be grown as a sprawling shrub or trained as a short climber. In your zone it would surely get large enough for the fence. It's a very unusual red. Pretty light coloured roses for your wall as suggested by Arturo, are Cl. Clotilde Soupert and Madame Alfred Carriere, but the latter can get very large. Both are low thorn ..which reminds me of another "red" that's basically thornless called Reine des Violettes. There are too many roses as you may have guessed! : )) Too bad High Country Roses is no longer in Utah (although I know it's a big state!) Are there any local or regional rose gardens you could visit to see what looks good in your dry heat?
Rome, Italy
Image
cillumina
May 14, 2020 1:33 PM CST
Thumb of 2020-05-14/cillumina/ac0157
Thumb of 2020-05-14/cillumina/94a735
Thumb of 2020-05-14/cillumina/9b3f9b

Hi all,
me too, as a humble beginner, I am going to ask your advice for a red climbing strong fragrance rose. I have a small terrace right in the centre of Rome, Italy. The exposition to the sun is good between 11 am and 4 pm. The plants are in big terracotta vases, conical or squared 50 cm. There are already two jasmines and three roses: two climbing (side A, photo 1 and 3: white, Madame Alfred Carriere; side B, photo 2: very dark red Guinée; side A: shrub dark red Papa Meilland).
Remembering my childhood, I have always desired a climbing rose, strong fragrance, but bright red (in English I should say "vermilion" or "scarlet", it seems to be similar to the roses you have posted here, Vaporvac, commenting that is a "very intense colour"), possibly with a perpetual bloom cycle. But I wasn't lucky. I had bought an Etoile de Hollande, but unfortunately, it had not so many flowers and with some violet flowers.
Searching in "Help Me Find" I have noted some possible choices: Don Juan, which I have never seen in nature and is rather rare in Italy; CL Crimson Glory, which I saw today in the "Roseto Comunale" of Rome, but which seem to be high no more than 12 feet, or finally try again with Étoile de Hollande, hoping to find a better specimen, Thank you. Carlo
Name: Arturo Tarak
Bariloche, Rio Negro, Argentin (Zone 8a)
Roses Dahlias Irises Plant Lover: Loves 'em all!
hampartsum
May 14, 2020 2:11 PM CST
Ciao Carlo,
I'm posting two links of nurseries there in Italy, that I would love to be able to buy from that provide on-line catalogs:
one is the Barni: https://www.helpmefind.com/gar...
the internet site is www.rosebarni.it e-mail [email protected]. If you download their catalog on page 46 there's a list of roses: <rampicanti rifiorenti a grande fiori> and starts with Red Flame ( Novità) on page 50 Amadeus and so on. If you choose a few of those, some here at NGA might know about them and provide feedback. I really love Crimson Glory, Clg. I know that one of the two carries it so check out for that. It has very dark red blooms,with strong fragrance
The other is Novaspina: https://www.novaspina.com/
If you were not under lockdown I would suggest visiting the Carla Fineschi Roseto. There you would have the very best array of alternatives to choose from. Perhaps if you are not rushed you can still arrange for a visit. As I understand they will allow visitors in low numbers.
Arturo
[Last edited by Calif_Sue - May 15, 2020 10:00 PM (+)]
Give a thumbs up | Quote | Post #2238611 (19)
SW Ohio River Valley (Zone 6b)
Image
vaporvac
May 14, 2020 3:34 PM CST
I am going to think further on this, but love the direction Arturo is going. Cl. Crimson Glory is one of my favourites so I won't dissuade you from that one. I do not actually grow ClEdHollande so can't comment. Is Orfeo available to you? Besides the gorgeous Barni roses can you get Kordes roses or those by Tantau? Florentina is a really great rose, little fragrance, but a strong floriferous rose. It might be hard to wrangle in a container. Btw, I suddenly felt like a rose rock star as I ID'ed in my mind the roses on your veranda and I only grow MAC. I wanted Guinee for a while.

Page 1 of 2 • 1 2

« Garden.org Homepage
« Back to the top
« Forums List
« Roses forum
Only the members of the Members group may reply to this thread.

Member Login:

[ Join now ]

Today's site banner is by dirtdorphins and is called "Amsonia jonesii"

This site is protected by reCAPTCHA and the Google Privacy Policy and Terms of Service apply.