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Name: seil
St Clair Shores, MI (Zone 6a)
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seilMI
May 14, 2020 4:33 PM CST
I think that brick is lovely! And surely red would be a standout against it and the white porch and rails.

I really like vaporvac's idea of planting shorter ones at the base. I've found with a lot of climbers the bottoms become quite bare as they get taller and older. My Dublin Bay was notorious for that. Having a shorter one at the base would really help with that.

You've been given tons of lovely suggestions and I can't really add to the list but keep us posted on your choice and pictures please!
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May 15, 2020 10:06 PM CST

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@seilMI, the photos of the brick are from last year, a new member from Italy asked questions so bumped this old thread up.
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bart2018
May 16, 2020 2:17 AM CST
First of all, hello to Carlo; benvenuto al forum! I'm in Italy, too, in Tuscany,in the foothills of the Appennines, between Prato and Bologna. I have a huge an very wild sort of garden out in the woods, about 20 minutes away from my home, by car. I must say I'm so impressed with your skill at growing roses in containers; I only keep them in containers until they are large and strong enough to plant out in my garden; I just have never learned the knack of pot culture.
Now, I have a question for Vaporvac and Seil: if I plant a shorter climber at the base of a tall, lanky one ,how much space does there have to be between the bases of the two plants? Eileen
Rome, Italy
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cillumina
May 17, 2020 1:28 PM CST
Hi Arturo and Vaprovac, thank you for your kind suggestions. About the Crimson Glory CL, I have seen and smelled it/her at "Roseto Comunale" in Roma: from my point of view, it is too dark, some blue in its red.
I got both your suggestions, Arturo. Barni is advising me the climbing Red Flame. Silvia, one of the heirs of Roseto Fineschi, who was very pleased for your consideration, warmly suggests me Sympathie, a shrub/climbing by Kordes (1964): it's real scarlet red, and Silvia Fineschi, who is really very kind and sensitive, tells me that has a strong fragrance. Of course, it is not as high as √Čtoile de Hollande. But its bloom is very abundant, therefore I am inclined to buy this one and not Red Flame (Commandant Cousteau). I trust on Silvia's taste.
By the way, Arturo, your far Bariloche is a wonderful place. If ever you come to Italy do not forget me. I have a hidden idea to give, when it will be possible, a lecture about the rose in Dante and the Medieval literature: it could be nice to have you among the audience: just a dream.
Eileen, I have no other choice but vases, I have no garden. But the vases/containers are very big and beautiful terracotta vases, made in Tuscany by a genial friend of mine.
So long Carlo
Name: Arturo Tarak
Bariloche, Rio Negro, Argentin (Zone 8a)
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hampartsum
May 17, 2020 2:47 PM CST
I'm just waiting a shipment of climbers from my specialty nursery. They are a few hybrid R.wichurana climbers. I'll only know which when they arrive. Mrs. Cristel Steppuhn Vidal told me that they are originally from the Roseto Fineschi, they were imported into Uruguay and the descendants later sent them to Mrs. Vidal nursery placed in San Pedro, province of Buenos Aires. She is now sending me some rooted cuttings from them. So that is how near I am to the Fineschi...you can tell Silvia in return my great admiration of that place.
Thank you about your lecture around the Dante...there's so much more around roses. Some time later with my roses here, I'll send you a T-mail.
Arturo

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bart2018
May 18, 2020 4:04 AM CST
Carlo, Your idea for the lecture is BRILLIANT. I read Dante (in English) in college, and what I remember most of all is the Rosa Mystica of the Paradiso.Indeed, looking at a perfectly formed bloom of a rose like Reine des Violettes, I do think of Heaven...
Name: Arturo Tarak
Bariloche, Rio Negro, Argentin (Zone 8a)
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hampartsum
May 18, 2020 6:55 AM CST
@bart2018, @cillumina
Mystically speaking, there's the visible rose ( that could be RdV or any other) but,
then there's the invisible essence of the rose, that every serious gardener or breeder is trying to catch... Smiling and let it be inside one's garden. This can be in a terracotta urn or in a wild garden.
It is very ellusive...
permanetly changing.. mutating ..
and yet its the same essence...
as if God ( it's my belief's, please accept my deep confession...) were playing as we co create with Him/ Them that Paradiso on earth... Smiling
Just a few themes/ (titles?) for Carlo's lecture. *Blush*
Arturo
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Tuscany, Italy
bart2018
May 19, 2020 3:30 AM CST
That is beautiful, Arturo. My life won't have been wasted if I could contribute in that way... Lovey dubby
Name: Arturo Tarak
Bariloche, Rio Negro, Argentin (Zone 8a)
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hampartsum
May 19, 2020 3:57 AM CST
bart2018 said:That is beautiful, Arturo. My life won't have been wasted if I could contribute in that way... Lovey dubby

Thank You! @bart2018
if you were able to listen with was written above...
then there's no restriction whatsoever in following it yourself... nodding

Arturo
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cillumina
May 22, 2020 9:04 AM CST
Dear Eileen, dear Arturo,
your suggestions are vibrant. It could be fine to have a dialogue together or a multiheaded (may I say in English?) lecture with huge question time.
About God, Arturo, I keep him as a challenge for our Spirit. I mean it is not the question of worship or faith, it is, in my pov, a question of the spiritual dimension.
Let us take the elusive dimension, it is the most typical of God himself according to Neoplatonism and Neoplatonic Christians (Dyonisius, Scoto Eriugena). Therefore, if the unique possible theology for human beings is the negative one, we should consider for the Rose a negative botanic....
Sorry, forgive me, I became too serious.
Coming back to roses. I have ordered to Barni a Red Flame and I am going to keep two Damascena shrubs: Kazanlik and Four Season
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PabloZ
May 23, 2020 4:18 PM CST
krun422 said:Hi all,
My name is Karen and I live in Salt Lake City, UT zone 7A. I am new to the forum and to roses pretty much. We just moved and our new home has a white sunny porch. I want to grow a red climbing rose up both ends of the porch. The height to the top from the ground is about 11 feet. A red rose would really look great with the brick on our home. I was hoping to find a red climber that will reach at least 14ish feet. Can Don Juan get that tall? Are there any others others that might work? I do hope to get a repeat bloomer.
Thanks in advance!
Karen
"Dublin Bay" is actually a pillar rose but it will make it over the porch. Most stunning color. Try finding a "Paul's Scarlet Climber" tried and true, and it is cold hardy.

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