Roses forum: worth keeping?

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Name: Carol
Alberta, Canada (Zone 3b)
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Canadian_Rose
Aug 5, 2019 11:20 AM CST
Hey everyone,
I'm already thinking of which roses can be tossed, so I can get new roses next year. Hilarious! I'm wondering what you think of Sweet Mademoiselle and Princess Charlene de Monaco. They were both bare roots (in pots) for me this year, that suffered a lot of cold days before I could pot them up. Plus they suffered through a lot of cold, rainy days and nights...basically a month. They both have terrible powdery mildew. These conditions of cold/rainy June/July will probably continue every year. So, I'm wondering if they'll get better once they mature...or if they just weren't made for our climate. What are your thoughts? And do they bloom a lot for you?
Thank You!
Name: Porkpal
Richmond, TX
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porkpal
Aug 5, 2019 11:23 AM CST
I would give them a chance to redeem themselves next year. They just got a rough start.
Porkpal
Name: seil
St Clair Shores, MI (Zone 6a)
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seilMI
Aug 5, 2019 2:19 PM CST
I agree with porkpal. You really can't judge a rose on it's first season. You need to see what it does next spring, if it winters, lol!
Name: Jim
Central Pa. (Zone 6a)
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jim1961
Aug 5, 2019 3:36 PM CST
I remember when our Earthsong suffered 2 early years with BS and PM...These last two years ES has been both BS and PM free...So give it awhile longer.,..
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Name: Arturo Tarak
Bariloche, Rio Negro, Argentin (Zone 8a)
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hampartsum
Aug 5, 2019 5:10 PM CST
With my experience using a cool greenhouse as a rose growing tool, I've been wondering about how that could improve your conditions. A cool greenhouse in your zone will not replace inside garage wintering. However what it could do alternatively reduce the impact of a cold/wet/ frosty spring. At least that is one of my main discoveries here. I also suspect that a badly battered bush will be much more prone to BS and PM. Again that is my experience here too.
Of course I don't know about your yard : would it be possible to generate space for one? Some market available structures are very easy to assemble, and also are reasonably priced. The other advantage is that your inside spring roses will be blooming much earlier so you wouldn't need to moan rightly about your current weather conditions.
Just a thought.... Smiling
Arturo
PS I don't know if you remember, but my first pics from last season were inside first flush blooms. I was amidst a fragrant heaven... Whistling Drooling
Name: Carol
Alberta, Canada (Zone 3b)
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Canadian_Rose
Aug 5, 2019 8:47 PM CST
Jim, Seil and PorkPal - alright, you've convinced me. Thumbs up

Arturo - I'll think about that. Thinking I couldn't have something big enough for all 52 of my roses...but I could maybe get something for 5 or so roses. Thank you for thinking on my situation. Lovey dubby That's really kind of you!

Thank You! everyone!
Name: Arturo Tarak
Bariloche, Rio Negro, Argentin (Zone 8a)
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hampartsum
Aug 6, 2019 4:01 AM CST
Carol....<<<but I could maybe get something for 5 or so roses>>> That is the way that it starts.... Whistling . Once you've done it you will keep asking why I didn't do it before.... Smiling
Arturo
SW Ohio River Valley (Zone 6b)
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vaporvac
Aug 6, 2019 11:05 AM CST
Perhaps some sort of temporary hoop house to put out late spring? I move mine to a glass front porch and they all well before anything in my garden and put on a lot of roots. Of course, I overwinter mine to grow them up before putting In the ground, but I think it could work.
Name: Carol
Alberta, Canada (Zone 3b)
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Canadian_Rose
Aug 6, 2019 1:29 PM CST
Arturo - Hilarious! You are so right! But, I looked into it, and greenhouses are really expensive. Costco had the cheapest one for $900. So, I won't be doing that. Rolling my eyes.

Vaporvac - What is a temporary hoop house? Okay...I just looked it up. Way more affordable than what I was thinking. Thinking Hmmmm....

Only thing is that I could only use it on my driveway...and it seems they need to be fixed to the ground (pegs, etc.). Maybe there's one where the bottom has fabric, etc. that I could put the roses on top of...and that would fix the "house" to the driveway.

Well, Arturo...this sounds like a great idea! Vaporvac thank you for helping me see this better.

I'll see about this next year. No reason to buy it now.
Thank You!
Name: Arturo Tarak
Bariloche, Rio Negro, Argentin (Zone 8a)
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hampartsum
Aug 6, 2019 3:52 PM CST
Carol, Yes thanks to Vaporvac we have found the correct definitiom. You actually need something temporarily. FromEarly spring until weather becomes reliably warmer. In the meantime your roses are growing nicely and putting up new leaves and some even starting to bloom. When I thought about a greenhouse I was thinking about a hoophouse. Something that will keep a fairly stable temperature inside as your bushes start to perk up. Later the same could occur in fall as you extend your growing season before your real cold strikes again. Then, if it works for you you might expand your choices onto climbers as well. A lot of rose literature says that climbers can't be grown successfully in containers . By what I've experienced, many roses could be grown in large sized pots regardless their type of growth. Rose diversity is such that I'm sure that there will be mid sized climbers that will grow perfectly well, under an extended growthe regime. Not only have you pushed zones by winter storing your bushes to overcome intense cold, you could also push zones by extending the growing season, This is my main discovery. Because when one extentends growing season the bush has more time to throw up new canes, store more starch for winter and grow larger root mass. Once you get the hang of it, I would predict that DA's will flourish in your yard as so many others. What deceives us, me included, is the zoning system which focuses in extreme lows. Just one variable
Now I'm suggesting a different one: extending the growing season.
Arturo
Name: Carol
Alberta, Canada (Zone 3b)
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Canadian_Rose
Aug 7, 2019 3:19 AM CST
Arturo - I bet that using a hoophouse, I could even try hybridizing again...there would be time for the rose hips to mature. Although I'm not sure I want to do it, because then anything I hybridize has to be stellar enough to be better than my other roses...cause there's only so much room in the garage. Actually, I do grow a climber. I grow Night Owl. It's really stiff and only gets about 3 1/2 feet in the pot. But it really fills the pot out. I don't even add anything for it to climb on...doesn't need it. Big Grin I'm going to think about this all winter and see if I can find one that wouldn't blow off of the driveway. Thanks so much! It's a great idea!
Name: Arturo Tarak
Bariloche, Rio Negro, Argentin (Zone 8a)
Roses Dahlias Irises Plant Lover: Loves 'em all!
hampartsum
Aug 7, 2019 5:39 AM CST
Carol You might be aware of what group thinking is all about...that is why I even ventured posting my thoughts. It ought to stimulate others to think alternatives. Imho, after 7 decades of being around, I've come to grasps that one has to have a clear goal. In your case it would be widening your breadth in growing roses. Once you've achieved it, you opened the door for others to do so. Everyone wins. You've come a long way with your in garage zone pushing. So I felt that it was like adding the strawberry on top of the cake. It all starts with developing the thoughts that lead to fruition. I'm sure with our further exchanges, others will chime in, and suddenly your dream garden becomes real.... Hurray! On the other hand evident climatic change will pose new adversities to us gardeners. If one can proactively deterr the negative aspects, then one can still make the best use of what is available and still reach goals. It took me two long years of discussions with a colleague here at the RF before I understood why my roses grew so slowly here as compared to the N.hemisphere gardeners until I started to add the greenhouse alternative as a temporary tool. Then my bushes reached equivalent size! By your frequent comments about lousy spring weather, I felt that you might be facing something equivalent. At least this is how I handled it here. The main difference with you is that I don't have winter die back, because our lows are very mild.
Arturo
SW Ohio River Valley (Zone 6b)
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vaporvac
Aug 7, 2019 10:26 AM CST
I'll return to thoughts and experience with the hoop house, but I wanted to know if you've ever grown La France, Carol? It is by far the most "rose" scented of all my roses and keeps its scent from beginning to end including in the vase. It's a gorgeous rose besides. I only have the climbing version in the ground , but got the bush version to plant in front of it as I couldn't get enough of its beauty and fragrance. Crimson Glory is another. I'm so glad you're enjoying Sugar Moon and Memorial Day. Everyone's sense of smell is different, but I always recommend those two. If you are looking for a stripe, consider Neil Diamond (very tall) or the short sweetie George Burns. I generally buy for fragrance, andI just keep forgetting to mention all this! Sticking tongue out
Name: Rosemary
Sacramento, CA (Zone 9b)
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reh0622
Aug 7, 2019 12:43 PM CST
This is good to know, vaporvac. It should probably be on the Fragrant rose thread. Would I be allow to try to copy and paste onto the Most Fragrant rose thread?
Name: Zuzu
Northern California (Zone 9a)
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zuzu
Aug 7, 2019 1:10 PM CST

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You could cut and paste, Rosemary, but it might be easier to ask Vaporvac to add this information to the fragrant rose thread.

The thread "Most fragrant rose" in Roses forum
SW Ohio River Valley (Zone 6b)
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vaporvac
Aug 7, 2019 1:17 PM CST
I thought I already put it there, but there's no way of searching without going to each page. OK. I went to each page after adding it, so now I've commented 4 times on the subject! There's some overlap, but whatever! :))If I repeat them enough, perhaps people will remember them.;0
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Name: Carol
Alberta, Canada (Zone 3b)
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Canadian_Rose
Aug 8, 2019 4:09 PM CST
Hilarious!

Vaporvac - I would love to grow La France if I could ever find it. My only hope is Palatine. And I do grow Neil Diamond, but it's not doing much right now. Man, you really have me wanting La France. Lovey dubby

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