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Name: Andrew Lyall
Corpus Christi, TX (Zone 9b)
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Andrew_Lyall
Aug 26, 2019 2:39 PM CST
Hello.

I am having a problem with my Scarlet Sages dying.

Scarlet Sage (Salvia coccinea)


In the Spring, I planted 10 sages in 2 different beds (seperated by a pathway) and 10 more are in 3 gallon pots.

The 4 planted in bed #1 are alive and looking well (?).

Healthy (?) sages:
Thumb of 2019-08-26/Andrew_Lyall/a70332

Of the 6 planted in bed #2, 3 died and 2 more appear to be dying.

Dying (?) sages:
Thumb of 2019-08-26/Andrew_Lyall/a78e39
Thumb of 2019-08-26/Andrew_Lyall/94a90d

Dead sage:
Thumb of 2019-08-26/Andrew_Lyall/d1563f

Some of the sages in the pots appeared to be dying too, until I moved the pots a few yards from where they were (not much difference in sun exposure).

Sage with lots of dead bits (and a self-seeded youngster in the pot too):
Thumb of 2019-08-26/Andrew_Lyall/c22da4

Sage with all the dead bits pruned:
Thumb of 2019-08-26/Andrew_Lyall/ec18da

I grew all of them from seed. Some were planted & germinated last Fall, some this Spring.

Some of the survivors are the older sages, some the younger.

Some of the survivors were planted in native clay soil, some in peat pellets that were later transferred into store-bought soil.


Can anyone offer me some advice?

Thank you.

Name: Lynda Horn
Arkansas (Zone 7b)
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gardenfish
Aug 26, 2019 5:38 PM CST
Is this the annual sage? I grow the annual, and it dies every year, but it always re seeds itself. If this is the annual, I don't think I would worry about it . It might be a perennial in your area. If it is, maybe remove the dead plants and re seed? I will post a pic of mine. I don't see anything visible that would cause the die back. Have you checked for insects? Check to see if you see any.


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Name: Andrew Lyall
Corpus Christi, TX (Zone 9b)
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Andrew_Lyall
Aug 28, 2019 3:00 PM CST
Thanks for replying!

According to the site I ordered the seed from, they are a perennial.

I couldn't see any harmful insects on the sages (just bees at the flowers).

There are at least half a dozen sages that planted themselves, so I'm not worried about running out of them.

However, I am concerned that these deaths might indicate some larger problem that will affect the rest of my garden.

They seemed to go from sick-looking to dead within a matter of days.

I keep thinking "What could be causing this? Overwatering, underwatering, grubs, poor soil quality, mole people?"
Name: Lynda Horn
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gardenfish
Aug 28, 2019 5:38 PM CST
To be honest with you, I am stumped! The picture of the sage I posted was the first sage that I grew 20 years ago.It keeps coming back true from seed, year after year. I liked it so well that I decided to branch out to perennial sages. Some I like very much, others not so much, but overall I found sages to be tough, long blooming easy to grow plants. As of right now I have 5 sages, 4 perennials and this annual. I have had to deal with many different insects and diseases in my other plants, but other than an occasional hole or two in the leaves, I have found sages to be pretty much immune to weird stuff. Maybe remove the dead plants and don't plant anything there until spring? I can't figure this out. Watch the plants, maybe something will rear it's ugly head. I would assume in your zone your frost date comes very late, if at all.Maybe colder weather will help, or slow this issue. Confused Blinking Blinking Blinking Blinking Confused
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Name: Andrew Lyall
Corpus Christi, TX (Zone 9b)
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Andrew_Lyall
Aug 30, 2019 3:02 PM CST
Okay, I will keep watching and see if a cause presents itself.

Thank you Smiling

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