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Name: Debbie
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Sep 5, 2019 12:42 PM CST
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Picked this up at my garden club plant sale this week; couldn't resist the variegated foliage. The person who donated it was not in attendance so no one to confirm the I.D. At first I wondered if it could be an Agave, but seems more likely an Aloe. Maybe arborescens Variegata?
Thanks for your input.

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Baja_Costero
Sep 5, 2019 12:52 PM CST

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It looks like an agave to me, but I couldn't tell you which one.
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Baja_Costero
Sep 5, 2019 2:21 PM CST

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Now that I look again, especially at the stem, I'm not so sure what it is. Maybe someone else here will have a better idea. It needs a lot more light, I think.
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Hamwild
Sep 5, 2019 2:23 PM CST
What about a Bromeliad or a Pandanus?
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DebbieC
Sep 6, 2019 5:02 PM CST
Hamwild said:What about a Bromeliad or a Pandanus?

Quite confident it's not a bromeliad; the lower leaves are especially thick and rubbery and there are spines. The newer leaves are less thick and the spines there are softer than those on the lower leaves. Not familiar with Pandanus but on a google search it doesn't look anything like that. Smiling
Here are a few pictures with the stems propped up, perhaps that will give a better visual. I did split a leaf to see if it was gelatinous inside; it was moist and with pressure oozed maybe a tiny bit of liquid but I couldn't say it was gel like or for that matter fibrous. Confused I will have it positioned in my best south facing window once I get it better potted and upright.


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Thank you both for responding and your suggestions!

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mcvansoest
Sep 6, 2019 5:55 PM CST
Can you post a picture of the leaf tip of one of the leaves and of the central area where new leaves are growing.

My first sense is that it is an extremely etiolated Agave, but the few leaf tips I can see are inconclusive, but they are not very visible.

I am trying to think of any other plants with teeth like that on their leaves but am not coming up with very many that fit the rest of what I am seeing.
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tarev
Sep 6, 2019 7:43 PM CST
maybe some type of variegated tree aloe
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DebbieC
Sep 6, 2019 7:48 PM CST
mcvansoest said:Can you post a picture of the leaf tip of one of the leaves and of the central area where new leaves are growing.

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Yes I will tomorrow in the daylight. Thanks.

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DebbieC
Sep 6, 2019 7:51 PM CST
tarev said:maybe some type of variegated tree aloe

Thanks for the suggestion Tarev.

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Hallow
Sep 7, 2019 10:28 AM CST
DebbieC said:
Quite confident it's not a bromeliad; the lower leaves are especially thick and rubbery and there are spines. The newer leaves are less thick and the spines there are softer than those on the lower leaves. Not familiar with Pandanus but on a google search it doesn't look anything like that. Smiling
Here are a few pictures with the stems propped up, perhaps that will give a better visual. I did split a leaf to see if it was gelatinous inside; it was moist and with pressure oozed maybe a tiny bit of liquid but I couldn't say it was gel like or for that matter fibrous. Confused I will have it positioned in my best south facing window once I get it better potted and upright.


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Thank you both for responding and your suggestions!

not sure what kind of plant it is ,but some bromeliads do have spine's. This plant is a type of bromeliad and it has the most wicked set of spine's of any plant I have. It's nicknamed the "sheep eater".


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Hallow
Sep 8, 2019 8:15 AM CST
DebbieC said:Thumb of 2019-09-05/DebbieC/c90413
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Picked this up at my garden club plant sale this week; couldn't resist the variegated foliage. The person who donated it was not in attendance so no one to confirm the I.D. At first I wondered if it could be an Agave, but seems more likely an Aloe. Maybe arborescens Variegata?
Thanks for your input.

think I found something really close to what you have.


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Name: Debbie
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DebbieC
Sep 8, 2019 3:36 PM CST
mcvansoest said:Can you post a picture of the leaf tip of one of the leaves and of the central area where new leaves are.

I hope these pictures will be helpful; thank you so much for your interest!
There is a sharp spine right at the end of the leaves.



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Name: Debbie
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DebbieC
Sep 8, 2019 3:45 PM CST
Hallow said: think I found something really close to what you have.


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Thanks so much Eric. I was not aware that some bromeliads had spines! That pineapple variety certainly resembles my plant but I've never seen one with the thick rubbery leaves that this one has; the older leaves are thick and "fleshy/ soft". That's not to say that it doesn't exist, I just haven't seen one. nodding I really appreciate your help. Thank You!

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mcvansoest
Sep 8, 2019 11:12 PM CST
Those are pretty good images.

The plant that Eric suggests looks very close, but it would seem like you say that the leaves in your plant are thick and rubbery, whereas those on the ananas plant appear to be thinner.

The teeth and variegation look very close though!

I do not know a lot about bromeliads in terms of how they grow, so I cannot really say that it is not a bromeliad, the things that make me think this a very etiolated agave is that it appears to have a central growth spike - the leaves unfurl from that pretty much full grown, many other plants will push the leaves up from the center of the plant where you can see them as small but already unfurled leaves. Most Agaves have a terminal spine in addition to the teeth on the leaves, which your plant has (though the terminal spine is pretty weak - which is often another sign of etiolation) and the leaf is guttered towards the terminal spine, which is also something that afaik can be considered pretty characteristic for an Agave and certainly means it is not an Aloe.

Now all that said, and seen I can still not say with 100% certainty it is an Agave, I think it is, but since it must have grown for a long time in a low light situation it has gotten so far away from what it would look like if it saw stronger and more sun, that it is hard to think of which one it could be if it was an Agave.
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Name: Debbie
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DebbieC
Sep 9, 2019 3:10 PM CST
Thanks so much Thijs for your detailed response. Maybe with time and some good care, along with a flower I will get an ID; if not that's ok. I'll just enjoy it for what it is! I smiled when I saw your quote: "It is what it is"; I say that all the time. Smiling Thank You!

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