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Name: Mary
Crown Point, Indiana (Zone 5b)
josieskid
Jan 28, 2020 7:47 PM CST
Good questions, Karen! I'll go down there tomorrow and measure. If I can remember! Hurray! Thumbs up Hurray!
I are sooooo smart!
Name: Ashton & Terry
Jones, OK (Zone 7a)
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kidfishing
Jan 28, 2020 8:05 PM CST
kousa said:Can you all share how far apart you space your keeper seedlings in your seedling keeper bed? If my seedlings have a clump of fans say 4+fans, should I divide them into double fans when transplanted?


Mine get planted pretty close but nothing like way I plant them when they are babies. Mine are about 15" between the plants in a row and about 20" between the rows.
It depends on what you are doing exactly on how you move, divide, and transplant. Just thinking more normally, I would say if it is a final selection for you then you should divide or line them out.

For me, my keeper bed is a final evaluation bed, not a final move for the seedlings. I typically move the clump, but my situation is different than for you. My seedlings are coming from a pasture where I pull them out of the grass and weeds and no care all natural starting place. So mine need to show me what they can do in a better kept location. After growing a year in the selected bed they can get divided for future registration or left for another year of evaluation.
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Name: Karen
Southeast PA (Zone 6b)
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kousa
Jan 28, 2020 8:59 PM CST
@Kidfishing Thanks Terry! Do you do anything special to the soil in your keeper bed? Do your keeper seedlings get regular fertilization? Have you ever lost any seedlings when lining them out as single fan?
Name: Ashton & Terry
Jones, OK (Zone 7a)
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kidfishing
Jan 28, 2020 9:31 PM CST
kousa said:@Kidfishing Thanks Terry! Do you do anything special to the soil in your keeper bed? Do your keeper seedlings get regular fertilization? Have you ever lost any seedlings when lining them out as single fan?


I amend the soil with a mix of the natural sandy loam and and what I clean out of the livestock barn and I use some Milorganite in the spring. But I don't feed plants regularly. I water regularly in the selection beds.

I lose plants for every reason/no reason. Yes some are lost just from transplanting/lining out. I have lined out 20 fan clumps when moved the first time and lost them all. I probably lose more than most people but we have more plants and more variables. Extremes in temps, moisture, critters. Our location is a hard to figure in that, we can grow them as great as anywhere and we have traveled and seen them all over. But they will die sometimes without explanation. Even some that are here doing great for years will just disappear. Mostly diploids are lost from moving and transplanting but there are more dip than tet selected seedlings. I have lost a few that would have been introduced but I want them well tested here first. That is why we only have 7 introductions to date. Can't be concerned with losses but just look for the next one. That is one reason for me to share some of my seedlings. Seems the people I share with never lose them. Not sure but hope I did not lose the pink patterned one I sent you. I had 6 fans and lined out 2 double fans. I actually did lose them but for now that only means lost tags and lost where I planted them.

I currently have about 65 in the selected seedling bed. All nice enough flowers and good plants. Most likely only a handful will get named.
Kidfishing
Name: Mary
Crown Point, Indiana (Zone 5b)
josieskid
Jan 29, 2020 7:58 AM CST
Kidfishing, do you have any pics of the pink patterned one? Crossing Fingers!
I are sooooo smart!
Name: Karen
Southeast PA (Zone 6b)
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kousa
Jan 29, 2020 8:18 AM CST
Terry, you sure have a very challenging growing environment! I am sorry to hear that you lose so many and esp. the keeper seedlings. Don't you worry about your pink patterned mini seedling! I just checked and your seedling is doing well in my yard. It looks like it maybe either a semi-evergreen or an evergreen in my zone as tere is still green foliage at the base. As soon as I get good increase, I will send a good clump back to you.
Name: Mary
Crown Point, Indiana (Zone 5b)
josieskid
Jan 29, 2020 10:32 AM CST
Karen, you are Lovey dubby Lovey dubby Lovey dubby !
I are sooooo smart!
Name: Ashton & Terry
Jones, OK (Zone 7a)
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kidfishing
Jan 29, 2020 12:29 PM CST
josieskid said:Kidfishing, do you have any pics of the pink patterned one? Crossing Fingers!

kousa said:Terry, you sure have a very challenging growing environment!

Thanks Karen.

I managed to have some really nice pink blooms show up in some seedlings. Different crosses, sizes and shapes but a few to watch.
They were moved to the keeper bed in 2018. 2019 they were used for pollen parents.
I was referring to this seedling.
This one has bloomed here since 2015 and moved out of the pasture in 2018. Divided in 2019 and shared to PA. Dixie Blues x Colorful Etchings.
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touchofsky
Jan 29, 2020 1:43 PM CST
Gorgeous Lovey dubby
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Name: Marcia
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DaylilyDazzled
Jan 29, 2020 4:55 PM CST
@josieskid Thanks Mary for the info on the mulch forgot all about this thread and just looked and reread the whole thing.

Thanks to Kidfishing and Char also for the all great info. It is kind of discouraging that it could take 7 years to see my first prospects possibly become intros. Thinking I'm too old for this hybridizing thing. Hell I could be dead before that or worse not be able to work in the gardens like I do now! Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing
Name: Mary
Crown Point, Indiana (Zone 5b)
josieskid
Jan 29, 2020 6:05 PM CST
Kidfishing, gorgeous! That one is so special! Hurray! Lovey dubby Hurray!

Marcia, yes, so much good info on here! Honey, you're not getting old, you're getting better! Thumbs up
I are sooooo smart!
Name: Mary
Crown Point, Indiana (Zone 5b)
josieskid
Feb 2, 2020 4:15 PM CST
Karen, I finally remembered to go out there and measure how far apart I put my keepers. They are a foot apart. I know that's not much. I just didn't know I was gonna want to keep so many of them! Shrug! Hilarious!
I are sooooo smart!
Name: Karen
Southeast PA (Zone 6b)
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kousa
Feb 2, 2020 5:15 PM CST
Thanks Mary! Please let me know how the spacing works for you at the end of the growing season this summer. I would be interested to know if the spacing is adequate for your seedlings or not. I think for experimental purpose, I will put the slower growth ones 12" apart and the faster ones 15" apart and see what happens.
Name: James
California (Zone 8b)
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JamesT
Feb 2, 2020 5:25 PM CST
kousa said:I think for experimental purpose, I will put the slower growth ones 12" apart and the faster ones 15" apart and see what happens.


I have found that a dormant daylily which is surrounded by evergreens never Thrives. I've even lost some to crowding like that. It may be different for you in a colder zone, but here I have to give the dormants plenty of "sky view" in mixed, dense plantings.

Name: Mary
Crown Point, Indiana (Zone 5b)
josieskid
Feb 2, 2020 5:26 PM CST
"For me, my keeper bed is a final evaluation bed, not a final move for the seedlings. I typically move the clump,"

Well, I'm feeling better about how close I planted them since I saw that from kidfishing.

I'm gonna be keeping a lot more of them. Hurray! I thought I was gonna get all dogs! Hilarious! And throw them all away! Shrug!
I are sooooo smart!
Name: Mary
Crown Point, Indiana (Zone 5b)
josieskid
Feb 2, 2020 5:28 PM CST
Yeah, James, you are in 8b. Big difference! Plus, I for one have heavy clay!
I are sooooo smart!
Name: James
California (Zone 8b)
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JamesT
Feb 3, 2020 12:24 AM CST
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Name: Daniel Erdy
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ediblelandscapingsc
Jun 19, 2020 11:33 PM CST
josieskid said:"For me, my keeper bed is a final evaluation bed, not a final move for the seedlings.:


Same here, every year my seedlings get better and better and a few that where keepers the previous year end up getting tossed..
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