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Name: Nick Rowlett
Gladstone, OR (Zone 7a)
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NickyNick
Sep 8, 2019 8:24 AM CST
welcome 환영
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#바위솔 농장 #바위솔 판매 #바위솔 키우기 바위솔 심는 방법 장마철바위솔관리 바위솔분갈이 바위솔 종류 이천 바위솔 농장 Sempervivum Sempervivum flower
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
Yong Seol
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NOTES from above video >

2:16 Orostachys japonica (바위솔 "Rock brush") growing on a stylized miniature mountainside

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2:22 Orostachys japonica (바위솔 "Rock brush")

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Korean / English plant names & info :

바위솔
Rock brush
Orostachys japonica

Orostachys japonica
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Orostachys japonica (Japanese:爪蓮華、昭和、秀女)also known as rock pine is a species of flowering plant in the genus Orostachys. Native to East Asia. Its main habitat is on the surface of mountain rocks in Korea, Japan and China. Pic directly below from Wikipedia

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[Other plants pictured in this video may also be loosely termed as "Rock brush", although I have not done enough research yet of the Korean terms to know for sure. NSR]

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바위솔 종류 사진 꿈이있는 정원 밴드 리더 협찬 이쁜 바위솔 사진 동영상 겨울 죽지않는 식물 Sempervivum Sempervivum flower
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
Yong Seol
NOTES >
many kinds of miniature succulents; species yet to be identified (work in progress)
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[농촌진흥청] 실내정원 물 관리 꿀팁!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
농촌진흥청
NOTES >
many kinds of tropical plants in the greenhouse
2:17 cactus and succulents

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for the kids :

콩순이 밥솥으로 진짜 밥을 차려준대요!! 나다린의 재미있는 소꿉놀이! Kongsuniㅣ토깽이네상상더하기RabbitPlus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
RabbitPlus_토깽이네상상더하기
[ NOTES > kids rice cooker COOKING KONG ]

모바일 게임 [키키와묘묘의 논리 모험] 나쁜 마녀를 물리치고 세상을 구할거에요!! 간단 리뷰 & 플레이 영상
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
돼지저금통


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SOURCES :

Sedum Chicks
https://sedumchicks.com/our-of...
Sedum Chicks, LLC, is a small specialty family-owned nursery in Turner, Oregon, specializing in outdoor hardy succulents for the Pacific Northwest.
Sedum Chicks
Turner, Oregon
United States

Little Prince
https://littleprinceplants.com...
EMAIL > [email protected]
"We are a licensed Oregon Nursery. We are growers, not resellers. This means that we propagate and grow every plant from scratch. With Little Prince you are buying plants from a grower with over 20 years of experience."

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REFERENCE :

Hen and Chicks (Sempervivum 'Oregon Sky') in theSempervivum Database
Hen and Chicks (Sempervivum 'Oregon Sky')

Beautiful Mt. Seolag
published 1974 in Korea as a multi-language guide for tourists (Korean, Japanese and English); this will be used as a reference if possible. The scribblings on the map (someone's corrections) were there when the book was given to me by a Korean friend about 1976.
Note that the English phonetics for the Korean language have changed a great deal since 1974, as has South Korea.
I invite anyone who can read Korean to correct anything that I post on this thread. NSR

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Name: Connie
Willamette Valley OR (Zone 8a)
Forum moderator Hybridizer Region: Pacific Northwest Lilies Sempervivums Sedums
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pardalinum
Sep 8, 2019 12:52 PM CST
Very interesting! I got some good ideas from the first two videos. I have already done plantings on flat rocks and I have a lot of flat rocks to work with.
Name: Nick Rowlett
Gladstone, OR (Zone 7a)
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NickyNick
Sep 8, 2019 4:45 PM CST
to pardalinum :

Thanks ~

Much more to come ... this is a welcome for my daughter Tai Sung, who will soon be a new member, as soon as I purchase a new iPhone X for her, with her, probably tomorrow ☺

Please tell us about what kind of rocks you have, what kind of plants you have, etc.

There used to be a source for sempervivums at, or near Dallas, Oregon, many years ago. (Not to be confused with The Dalles, OR).

I'm especially interested in some of those fabulous colors, and the miniatures!

I'm looking for a local (Oregon) source for some of those shown in the videos. I just start doing that, then ... an interruption, so it's a work in progress ...
Name: Karen
NM (Zone 7b)
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plantmanager
Sep 8, 2019 5:19 PM CST
Welcome, Nick, and that's exciting that your daughter will be joining soon too!
Here are some good sources for semps compiled by Valleylynn, and some are in Oregon.

Here is a list of reputable online nurseries selling sempervivums. Some sell other succulents and perennials. These nurseries have been used by the members of the Sempervivum Forum providing healthy plants correctly identified. You can find threads for each nursery here in this forum.

Fernwood Nursery (England) http://fernwood-nursery.co.uk/
Mendle Nursery (England) http://mendlenursery.co.uk/
Mountain Crest Gardens http://mountaincrestgardens.co......
Pan's Gardens https://pansgardens.com/
Perennial Obsession http://perennialobsessions.com...
Semper-vivum Nursery (Germany), use google translate for other languages. http://www.semper-vivum.de/
SMG Succulents http://www.smgsucculents.com/
The Sempervivum Patch http://cubits.org/TheSemperviv...
Youngs Garden Center http://www.youngs-garden.com/
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Name: Nick Rowlett
Gladstone, OR (Zone 7a)
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NickyNick
Sep 8, 2019 6:17 PM CST
to plantmanager :

Wow! Thanks so much ~ that saves me A LOT of work!
Name: Karen
NM (Zone 7b)
Region: New Mexico Region: Arizona Cactus and Succulents Plant Identifier Plays in the sandbox Greenhouse
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plantmanager
Sep 8, 2019 7:40 PM CST
During this last year's Kevin Vaughn Hybridizing clinic we all went to Perennial Obsessions. It's close by Dallas and it's got a wonderful stock of semps. The clinic is held every April in Salem. If you can attend, it's so much fun, even for non-semp people like my husband.
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Name: Lynn
Dallas, OR (Zone 8b)
Charter ATP Member Garden Sages I helped plan and beta test the plant database. I helped beta test the Garden Planting Calendar I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Plant Database Moderator
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valleylynn
Sep 8, 2019 8:28 PM CST

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Hi Nick, and a big Welcome! to NGA and the Sempervivum Forum. So nice to meet you.
Wow, you live up in the area our son lives in. You are not far from a small group of us in Salem, Dallas area.

It would be great if you could come to next springs Clinic I think both you and your daughter would have a wonderful time.

For local purchases there is:
Perennial Obsessions outside West Salem. They do both online orders or you can visit the nursery and shop in real time.
https://perennialobsessions.co...

In the U.S. online orders:
Mountain Crest Gardens http://mountaincrestgardens.co......
Pan's Gardens https://pansgardens.com/
SMG Succulents http://www.smgsucculents.com/
The Sempervivum Patch http://cubits.org/TheSemperviv...
Youngs Garden Center http://www.youngs-garden.com/
Name: Daniel Erdy
Catawba SC (Zone 7b)
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ediblelandscapingsc
Sep 8, 2019 8:52 PM CST
Nick glad you found the semp forum. It's one of my favorite forums on garden.org and everyone here is super nice. I'm sure Tai Sung will love it here but please don't go buying too many semps, I still owe you for the package you sent me and I grow a ton of sempervivums Thumbs up
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Name: Connie
Willamette Valley OR (Zone 8a)
Forum moderator Hybridizer Region: Pacific Northwest Lilies Sempervivums Sedums
Pollen collector I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Plant Database Moderator Charter ATP Member Garden Ideas: Master Level Plant Identifier
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pardalinum
Sep 8, 2019 8:52 PM CST
Nick, here is a photo of my pile of flat rock. These all used to line the top edge of a fish pond in my back yard but I have filled in the pond so can repurpose the rocks.
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Here is a little succulent garden I made on top of one of the larger ones along with rockery around the edge to hold the soil in place until the roots take over the job.
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Name: Daniel Erdy
Catawba SC (Zone 7b)
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ediblelandscapingsc
Sep 8, 2019 9:11 PM CST
I absolutely love your tabletop garden Connie Lovey dubby
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Name: Connie
Willamette Valley OR (Zone 8a)
Forum moderator Hybridizer Region: Pacific Northwest Lilies Sempervivums Sedums
Pollen collector I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Plant Database Moderator Charter ATP Member Garden Ideas: Master Level Plant Identifier
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pardalinum
Sep 8, 2019 9:19 PM CST
Thanks, Daniel. I think it was last year that it got loaded into the back of Bev's (webesemps) SUV and got hauled to Lynn's place for the Hybridizing Clinic weekend. Everyone enjoyed it!
Name: Lynn
Dallas, OR (Zone 8b)
Charter ATP Member Garden Sages I helped plan and beta test the plant database. I helped beta test the Garden Planting Calendar I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Plant Database Moderator
Forum moderator I helped beta test the first seed swap Million Pollinator Garden Challenge Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Plant and/or Seed Trader Garden Ideas: Master Level
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valleylynn
Sep 8, 2019 9:21 PM CST

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We sure did, it was the highlight of the activities that Friday.
Name: Nick Rowlett
Gladstone, OR (Zone 7a)
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NickyNick
Sep 9, 2019 3:03 AM CST
to valleylynn :

An honor and a priviledge to meet you!

Unfortunately some of the links you posted, such as for Perennial Obsessions, my Safari browser denies me access (the message posted as an image below) … so strange that I have no problem with websites such as this > https://yt.suwon.go.kr/
which is the government website in the city in Korea that my daughter's mother is from!

I remember that many years ago there was a place near Dallas (the exact name of the community I do not remember) that I did purchase sedums and sempervivums - at the time there were several choice cultivars being offered.

I am truly amazed at what's out there now (in 2019) ! It looks like another planet as far as sempervivum cultivars have come, with such fascinating "outer space" forms and neon colors. My daughter mentioned that she was interested in some kind of plants that would do OK in tiny pots, and weren't very fussy about too dry for too long, etc. Besides some miniature cactus maybe, I thought that sedum and sempervivum fit that bill exactly.

In Europe, where slate roofs are common, northern Europe especially, and Scandinavia, they are thrown on the roof purposefully to seal the joints between the slates; why some people call them "house leeks"

Tai's mother knew what they were when I said "hen and chicks" - I introduced them to her when I had a nursery in SE Portland in the mid-1980s. I don't know what the Korean name is yet, but they sure know what they are in Korea (amazingly popular there, and in Japan and China also - almost like a fetish), so I will learn it and teach it to her (and daughter).

Anyway, I'm going to buy a hundred "fairy garden" size clay pots (1 3/8") on ebay, some super nice cultivars, and get her started, and she can take it from there. That is the plan, anyway. I know that all of you knowledgeable and cordial people will assist her, and I am grateful.

to ediblelandscaping : Hi Daniel in Catawba SC and family. Hope the rain from Dorian comes as a blessing for your drought, while others are suffering so greatly in the Bahamas.

to pardalinum : those look like slates to me (your flat rocks), what they use in parts of Europe on the roofs of buildings. Perfect for growing sempervivum and sedum on. In all of the villages, towns and cities of Europe that I've been through, I've never actually seen them growing on roofs, since the buildings are so tall and the streets so narrow; often so narrow that only pedestrians can use them. But I don't doubt it to be true, since here at my house they (a type of sedum, and some encroaching sempervivum along with them) are growing on the edges of concrete steps and sidewalks where it was bare concrete before. And very hot in the Summertime.

The sedum is green during part of the year, and quite red during other seasons, and some of you probably know which one I'm talking about. I found it in the mid-1970s growing on basalt outcroppings and cliffside along the Willamette River in Oregon City and further south toward Canby, in the vicinity of Canemah and New Era. I brought back maybe half a pound of them here in a backpack, planted them in a small rock garden planter, and since then, they've spread far and wide on this property, often appearing in surprising places. For many years the spread had been slow, but in the last 10 years, they have really stepped it up in their self-propagation; mainly since I think now, for some reason, they have begun to produce viable seeds and are now spreading that way, instead of purely vegetatively.

I notice that bees of several kinds constantly visit the plants now when they are flowering - before they were not that much interested in the flowers. So that's a change worth noting.

The sempervivum species that I have growing here, by the hundreds, is the common green "hen-and-chicks" with the reddish blush at the leaf terminals. Again, right away many of you know which one it is (the botanical & common name). I purchased a few cultivars from that nursery near Dallas, Oregon (that I mentioned previously) in the late 1970s or early 1980s and they've established themselves very well on the sides of retaining walls in several locations.

I told a neighbor many many years ago, giving him some "chicks", how people throw them on roofs to stop the leaks ("house leeks") and sure enough, a few years later, his shed in the back yard was completely covered with them! I was really sad to see that he had torn the shed down and hauled it off (30 years ago), and that beautiful roof along with it, but I wasn't here at the time to rescue the plants.

Well, shortly I'll be back in it, in a small way, with my daughter and her two daughters, since I have one bench mostly cleared in my 15 ft. square fiberglass greenhouse, built in the early 1970s, the original fiberglass and structural redwood framing still intact. Dad and I did an excellent job building it while I was taking a course in Ornamental Horticulture at Clackamas Community College. Dad, you did a great job, instructing me all the way (R.I.P.) Steve Jobs, what a marvelous invention, your computer and OS (operating system) - all I did when I bought it in 2009 was plug it in, and it began prompting me what to do next! Next step, next step, etc. and finally ON the WWW. It's still working just as well as the day I bought it ~ Steve R.I.P.

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Name: Lynn
Dallas, OR (Zone 8b)
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valleylynn
Sep 9, 2019 10:05 AM CST

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Nick, I so enjoyed your last post. So much history that made many pictures in my head. Thank you so very much.
The place you are referring to in Dallas, OR was Helen Payne's Oakhill Gardens. The old place is just about 3 minutes from my house. It is now occupied by a young couple that bought it in the early 2000s. Helen Payne passed away around 2000?
I just missed meeting her in person. We moved here in 1999.
Kevin Vaughn knew her well and sold many of his early introductions through Oakhill Gardens. @JungleShadows.

I invite you to come visit my garden if you can. Some of Helen's old introductions live here with hundreds of other cultivars.

I'm not sure why your browser won't let you access some websites? It is a secure site.
Name: Daniel Erdy
Catawba SC (Zone 7b)
Pollen collector Fruit Growers Permaculture Hybridizer Plant and/or Seed Trader Organic Gardener
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ediblelandscapingsc
Sep 9, 2019 12:37 PM CST
Nick, Lynn is the semp queen and one of the sweetest people to ever walk the earth. If you don't live too far from her you should take her up on a garden tour.
I wish I lived closer to OR many of my garden friends live in the PNW and I've never been lucky enough to meet them face to face.
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Name: Karen
NM (Zone 7b)
Region: New Mexico Region: Arizona Cactus and Succulents Plant Identifier Plays in the sandbox Greenhouse
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plantmanager
Sep 9, 2019 12:59 PM CST
Daniel, if you can, please try to make the next clinic in April. I finally made it last time and it was wonderful meeting everyone, seeing their gardens, and listening to Kevin's expertise on hybridizing. I forgot to mention all of the wonderful foods too!
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Name: Daniel Erdy
Catawba SC (Zone 7b)
Pollen collector Fruit Growers Permaculture Hybridizer Plant and/or Seed Trader Organic Gardener
Daylilies Region: South Carolina Garden Ideas: Level 2 Garden Photography Herbs Region: United States of America
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ediblelandscapingsc
Sep 9, 2019 2:52 PM CST
I wish I could Karen but raising 5 kids really limits me on funds and time. If I'd miss a week of work it would take me 5 or 6 weeks to climb back out of the whole I got in Sighing!
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Name: Karen
NM (Zone 7b)
Region: New Mexico Region: Arizona Cactus and Succulents Plant Identifier Plays in the sandbox Greenhouse
Sempervivums Bromeliad Adeniums Morning Glories Avid Green Pages Reviewer Brugmansias
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plantmanager
Sep 9, 2019 3:01 PM CST
Group hug Aw darn, but I sure understand. Raising kids now is much more costly than when I was doing it in the 70's. We'll all just have to take lots of photos to share.
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Name: Kevin Vaughn
Salem OR (Zone 8a)
JungleShadows
Sep 9, 2019 3:59 PM CST
Nick,

You might check out Helen Payne's book "Plant Jewels of the High Country" from the library as it has photos of almost all the cultivars in her catalog. That may give you at least tentative names for what you have. However, there are quite a few things that look similar.

As Lynn said, Helen sold my introductions up until ~1982, including my NGA namesake 'Jungle Shadows'. I live about 10 miles from where her nursery was.

The clinic is here the last week of April. It is very fun to meet all sorts of semp addicts!

Kevin
Name: Nick Rowlett
Gladstone, OR (Zone 7a)
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NickyNick
Sep 9, 2019 8:37 PM CST
to valleylynn:

Oakhill Gardens! That's it exactly !!!! How very wonderful that we got connected, you being so close to the place - and I do remember the name Helen Payne also. I think we became friends for a while when I was buying from her in the good old days before the internet, when you actually had to write a letter or make a phone call on the landline repeatedly until someone answered. I think answering machines were not even a thing when I was doing that.

I would love to visit sometime, but it would be with my daughter as driver, since I gave it up about 5 years ago. I'm sure she will be eager to visit, probably in the Spring of 2020, if we all make it to that stage. It's a just a task, even for the younger ones, just to make it through the day without some urgent matter that must be attended to.

Sure is nice to have this conversation with you ☺ and there will be many many more.

Yeah, funny about my browser. I think it's because I put electrical tape over the little camera hole on my iMac desktop, which prevents them from browsing me ☺

to ediblelandscapingsc : you don't have to tell me that, bro. Knew it the first time I saw that profile pic. But even more than that, the good vibes I was picking up. I think, no, I have the feeling that you will be coming here to Oregon, as long as I have something to do with it. If your not against ✈ we have an international airport here in Portland, and from there, your just a hop and a jump to where I'm at, so … we'll keep that on the back burner ♨

to JungleShadows: Helen Payne's book "Plant Jewels of the High Country" - yes I have checked that book out from our library here in Gladstone several times, then I think I eventually bought it - but that was so very long ago, you're awaking memory cells in my poor tired brain that were having a long nap. Last week of April is exactly the right time to be doing that, so "if the creek don't rise" or whatever (no earthquakes, tornados, etc.) we will be there. There was a tornado watch here today because of sightings, and possibly a touch down, just north of here yesterday. Thanks Kevin in Salem ~

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