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Name: Sheridragonfly/Sheri
Alabama (Zone 8b)
Salvias Celebrating Gardening: 2015
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Sheridragonfly
Sep 8, 2019 4:43 PM CST
My question is...I grow the blue /black perennial salvia really well
in morning sun and some aft shade in my flower garden.

I can grow Blue Ensign salvia well.
Both take the high humidity here and high heat and like to be watered
deeply once a week.

Which ones do well in 3/4 sun with aft shade and no west sun

and will grow well in high humidity and heat...
in zone 8..south east alabama…

It has been 92- 99 many days this summer

would love something like Wendys wish..salvia it has those long tubular blooms and usually nice form to it and does not flop...it stands erect
more like the black/blue salvia does also

Wendys wish salvia died here when it dropped to 20 degrees a few nights ...rare to drop that low but it does happen once a year...

Thanks
Sheri
always high humidity here.
Name: Lynda Horn
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gardenfish
Sep 9, 2019 1:48 AM CST
Hi, Sherri, I love salvias, and try new ones all the time. I live a little bit north oh you but have very similar growing conditions. Have you tried hot lips? Grows very well here, upright, very vigorous, I have to cut mine back midway thru the summer, it gets about three to four feet high. Another good one is Mexican bush sage. Not really rated for zone 7 b, it is becoming a perennial here due to climate change, upright, can take humidity, beautiful purple color. I am re-doing my perennial garden, removing plants that don't work well, and replacing them with salvias, coneflowers, bee balms etc. for pollinators, because For perennial plants, I grow mainly for them. ( pollinators ). So many salvias out there, I want to try them all. I will be trying some new ones this spring; I will post about them on the annual forum or I will start a salvia thread there... tree Mail me anytime, would love to hear from you! Hurray!
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Name: Sheridragonfly/Sheri
Alabama (Zone 8b)
Salvias Celebrating Gardening: 2015
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Sheridragonfly
Sep 9, 2019 7:59 AM CST
HI ...Hot lips..I had 2 of those and they flopped due to the humidity and did not bloom well ...in 4 hours of sun which was enough and no aft sun.
Love it but does better in zone 7 than for me in zone 8.

Amistad...think that is the spelling..it is gorgeous!
I do not have 8 foot by 8 foot for that one..

Salvia 'Amistad' (Sage) Recipient of the prestigious Award of Garden Merit of the Royal Horticultural Society. This tender perennial is winter hardy to zones 8-10, therefore it is grown as an annual in cooler... Grows up to 3-5 ft. tall (90-150 cm) and 4-6 ft. wide (120-180 cm).

Add about 3 foot to the width and height of any
salvia they sell if you plan to grow it in my flower
garden in the south...zone 8..lower end.

Looking for something with tubular long blooms
like Wendys wish or Amistad that is perennial.

Thanks for answering...hope others will give me ideas too.
Sheri in Alabama
Name: Rj
Just S of the twin cities of M (Zone 4b)
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crawgarden
Sep 9, 2019 8:12 AM CST
I have Amistead in a tall container, 3+ ft, 4' wide, it gets sun from 8am until 1pm, the only time it flops is when I have neglected to water it, great plant!
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Name: Sheridragonfly/Sheri
Alabama (Zone 8b)
Salvias Celebrating Gardening: 2015
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Sheridragonfly
Sep 9, 2019 10:41 AM CST
RJ
If it was not so HOT and humid I would buy Amistad and put in a very large
pot the size you buy a tree in...
I would love to have it in the ground but I looked at the flowerbed
its below...and there is not room to just grow it in the ground..

So glad you love it and have it for your own!
It has awesome tubular long blooms from the pictures I see online.

So you bring it in in winter...due to cold and snow and ice.
Tell me how you over winter a perennial...where and how much water
per week and how much light from a window ..

Sheri
Name: Rj
Just S of the twin cities of M (Zone 4b)
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crawgarden
Sep 9, 2019 10:47 AM CST
I tried to overwinter it one year, not enough light. Luckily salvia is relatively inexpensive, I start over in the spring.
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Name: Sheridragonfly/Sheri
Alabama (Zone 8b)
Salvias Celebrating Gardening: 2015
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Sheridragonfly
Sep 9, 2019 10:57 AM CST
Thanks..I would not be able to overwinter anything

if I had Wendys wish
salvia..

or any other tender one..

I think one needs a greenhouse to over winter..which I do not have and it
would be too hot in my area..

Nematodes are a problem with me growing iris here and seems with
the butterfly bushes also..
There are things to put out now for those in flower beds
safe but I have to limit on expenses...

I read the home remedy of digging up the soil 10 inches deep
covering it with plastic, weighting down all edges over the area
you have nematodes and leave it in summer time hot sun
for 6 weeks to kill them in the soil.

No way I can dig that entire flower bed out and even have time to do that
for 6 weeks and then wait till spring and replant new plants....

Flower gardening is an investment of love, hard labor, and money..

The satisfaction is I enjoy photographing my flower blooms
in May and June before the heat wears the plants down..

My flower bed changes every 3 years or 4 due to plants not living
or me moving them! This was my favorite photograph of Sheris healing
flower garden ..about 5 years ago..

This gives you all an idea of how much room I have and there is not enough for the really big salvias...that spread 6 foot or 8 foot wide..


Sheri
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Name: stone
near Macon Georgia (USA) (Zone 8a)
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stone
Sep 9, 2019 11:31 AM CST
What's your soil like, Sheri?

Very surprised that you can't grow hot lips salvia microphylla...

Grows very well for me... in dry sand without a drop of water!

Wendy's wish? was pretty enough, but not winter hardy here.

Have you tried salvia coccinea?
Mostly perennial in my garden... plus, seedy enough to return if the winter does kill it... Just avoid tidying...

I have white, red, and pink varieties... the pink is less winter hardy, and the seeds wait until autumn before coming up... so... the white and the pink often come indoors with the peppers in the winter.

Nematodes are an issue here too...
My affected crops move into new areas and resistant plants go into the areas where the nematodes make gardening difficult.

There's supposed to be plants that they don't eat... plant those and they starve... get the beds back.

Sorry, but all I know for sure is datura... which is real pretty... but... how much is enough?

Re: small garden....
Suggest reversing the sod with the flowers.
Name: Sheridragonfly/Sheri
Alabama (Zone 8b)
Salvias Celebrating Gardening: 2015
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Sheridragonfly
Sep 9, 2019 12:30 PM CST
Hi Stone
my soil if not amended is clay...red clay if you dig more than 2 foot down.
I have bought so much soil that it is garden soil ...in that entire bed
where plants are planted..I added bought sand to the holes that need
sandier soil..

Of course I heard that play sand or bagged sand from
Lowes or a store was not the right kind of sand to use..

I am only able to amend the hole area where I plant a plant
and since I moved a lot of plants over the years most of it
has good soil in the holes...

Black and blue salvia seems to not be affected by nematodes so I may have to
put that in the place where the butterflybush was removed..

Thanks for your imput and anyone else that replies..
Sheri
Name: stone
near Macon Georgia (USA) (Zone 8a)
Plant Identifier Garden Sages Million Pollinator Garden Challenge
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stone
Sep 9, 2019 12:47 PM CST
Red clay is the good stuff! I begged the real-estate agents to show me red clay... and the only thing they would show me was white sand...

I'd stop adding sand!
Just top-dress with compost and mulch.
Name: Sheridragonfly/Sheri
Alabama (Zone 8b)
Salvias Celebrating Gardening: 2015
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Sheridragonfly
Sep 9, 2019 12:58 PM CST
you are right..I have seen yards with sand near here and they can not grow
anything in their yards..

I would take clay soil anytime...just hoping someone
is able to dig in it and work and amend it..

Good drainage is so important...with no west sun on flower gardens
the woods protects from strong winds
blowing on my perennials and flowers...in my flower bed.

Sheri
Name: Sheridragonfly/Sheri
Alabama (Zone 8b)
Salvias Celebrating Gardening: 2015
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Sheridragonfly
Sep 9, 2019 1:03 PM CST
I thought I would share that one is never too old to learn a new trick.
LOL

forgot to tell you on black and blue salvia which grows 5 foot tall and 6 foot wide here ..perhaps bigger

in my flower garden one year when unrestrained

and also my marshalls bee balm who spreads underground
I out smarted them this year..

I bought green metal edging and made a circle around the plant

and staked it down
around the plants..

hoping they would not spread runners
so far so good!

This was taken in late May...and the salvia
has remained that size. I did trim it in half height in late June.

No runners!!!!!!!!!!!!!
unless they are under the 3 inches of cypress mulch if so I
can handle that next spring!

its contained! see below

Sheridragonfly/sheri



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Name: Lynda Horn
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gardenfish
Sep 11, 2019 1:09 AM CST
Great idea, Sherri Hurray! I will get back with you concerning other possible salvias... wrapped up with the county fair at present.. worked 13 hours yesterday and have to go back at 7 am today. I will have some down time after to surf the net . Thumbs up
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