Plant ID forum: Red berry plant ID

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ninaj44
Sep 27, 2019 7:10 AM CST
Hi, I am searching for edible plants, and I stumbled upon this berry, I think it might probably not be edible but I am wondering if anyone knows what the name of it is?

Thanks!
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Silversurfer
Sep 27, 2019 10:39 AM CST
Crataegus sp...looks like Crataegus crus galli.
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DaisyI
Sep 27, 2019 10:42 AM CST
It looks like a crabapple. Cut one in half around the circumference. It should have a little 'star' inside. If so, they are edible but may not be palatable. Sometimes cooking helps.
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DaisyI
Sep 27, 2019 10:45 AM CST
Silversurfer said:Crataegus sp...looks like Crataegus crus galli.


That could be. Still edible and still maybe not palatable. Smiling
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Silversurfer
Sep 27, 2019 11:54 AM CST
Crab apples don't have thorns!
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Paul2032
Sep 27, 2019 11:56 AM CST
Could it be a Hawthorn?
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Silversurfer
Sep 27, 2019 12:54 PM CST
Paul2032 said:Could it be a Hawthorn?


Crataegus monogyna...common Hawthorn leaves are very different in shape.
Inside the red fruit known as a haw is a small, oval dark red fruit about 10 mm long, berry-like, but structurally a pome containing a single seed.




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DaisyI
Sep 27, 2019 2:07 PM CST
Silversurfer said:Crab apples don't have thorns!


I agreed with you, it could be Crataegus sp. Have you thought better of that? The one you mentioned does have similar leaves.

Ninaj44, please cut a fruit open and show us the inside.
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Silversurfer
Sep 27, 2019 3:16 PM CST
It is years since I squished a fruit/berry.
"The fruit is a small pome-like drupe that contains two to four white nutlets. "


Daisyl will you be able to id a cut /squashed berry from a pic of Crataegus crus galli ?
Because I cannot remember what it looked like inside.
I do remember vividly that it has very long vicious thorns.

By the way I am adding pics below to show Ninaj44 what an apple cut in half looks like.

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DaisyI
Sep 27, 2019 4:19 PM CST
Its not a plant that grows in my part of the country. I don't know of any crabapples with thorns so I think now we are determining if its Crataegus sp.
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ViburnumValley
Sep 28, 2019 8:47 AM CST
I think Silversurfer is on the mark with Crataegus sp., but since the plant is so chopped up by hedging there aren't a lot of good characteristics to go by beyond the red fruit, thorns, and leaves.

If ninaj44 could take some additional pictures of the plant, including maybe plucking a length of stem out and photographing it closely for the buds, leaf characteristics top and bottom, and the previously requested dissection of the fruit - all those would help with the ID.

There are many cultivated forms of Hawthorn from all around the world, and Germans use many otherwise unassuming plants in these very functional circumstances. ninaj44 could also tell us where this plant/hedge is growing in Germany. Some of us have traveled extensively there, and may have come across this species before...
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ninaj44
Sep 28, 2019 12:36 PM CST
Thanks for all the responses!! I didn't reply earlier because I had to go find the bush again to take more photos - the location is Berlin, near the big park 'tiergarten' and it is very obvious that it was planted by the authorities, as there are several rows of them neatly trimmed. I took some close-up pictures and also details of berry and leaf ... what are your thoughts?


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ninaj44
Oct 3, 2019 2:54 AM CST
Just wondering if anyone had a look at the new photos I uploaded?
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Silversurfer
Oct 3, 2019 3:07 AM CST
Thanks for new pics.
My thoughts are still unchanged Crataegus sp,
See wiki for list of sp.
Sadly I do not have enough botanical knowledge to take it any further.

If you need accurate answer maybe approach Berlin parks gardens/local council to ask them what sp they planted...in UK these people are normally extremely helpful.

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blue23rose
Oct 3, 2019 5:40 AM CST
Have no idea what plant it is, but was just perusing the Plant ID forum and came across this. Out of curiosity, why would so many rows of hedges of such a thorny plant like this be so prevalent in or near a park? I admit, I don't know anything about the park or surrounding area, but I wouldn't want my kiddos running through that section of shrubs, lol.
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porkpal
Oct 3, 2019 7:13 AM CST
Maybe that is the plan.
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DaisyI
Oct 3, 2019 10:19 AM CST
On the Missouri Botanical Garden website:

http://www.missouribotanicalga...

Two sentences stood out:

- It is also often seen as a tall, flat-topped shrub.
- Plants may be effective when grown as barrier plants on property borders or in hedgerows.
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blue23rose
Oct 3, 2019 10:58 AM CST
I wondered if that was the case, but was also wondering what they might be protecting.
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