Roses forum: Fall planting??

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Name: Seth n Sam .....
W.V. (Zone 6a)
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Weluvroses
Oct 9, 2019 5:33 AM CST
Ok guys I've several different places on info for fall planting. I'm in zone 6A-ish B. Some zone maps I'm 6a others I'm 6b. It's kinda chilly during nights and early mornings. But is still getting in the mid 70s in the day. And still sunny. I've read different things about planting in the fall. Ive read plant bare root in fall. And then I've read plant bare root in the early spring. And I've read plant container roses in the fall. And I've read plant them early spring. We normally dont get frost until late late November. And lately the last few years it's been in December before the first frost. And by container roses, I mean 1-2ft tall semi bushes. Is it ok to plant container roses still. They will have between a month and a half to two months before the frost hits. What's everyones consensus on planting in the fall for my zone. I wanna order from the hortico sale. The 5 for 75. And probably the 10 for 125 as well. I know to get Roses for my zone. Just not sure as to which is the best to plant, bare root, or containers. Or wait until till spring. Thumbs up
Name: Kris Legault
Southern Oregon (Zone 8a)
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Kristinelego
Oct 9, 2019 8:37 AM CST
I was just reading an article by heirloom roses that the best time is the fall because the ground is still warm and it gives your roots a chance to start developing and not worrying about putting on top Growth.
I love to plant in the fall it seems like it gives the roses a good Head Start and then I don't have so many things to do in the Spring when all my bare root start arriving. Here they don't send out bare roots this time of year so they're all potted so I don't know if that makes a difference or not.
You can't plant your new favorite rose if you are still watering your least favorite
SW Ohio River Valley (Zone 6b)
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vaporvac
Oct 9, 2019 1:39 PM CST
I have planted through Nov. no problem here because, as Kristine says, the ground is still warm. However, these were all roses I'd grown up from small bands and gallons so they had well developed roots. A friend ordered some from ??? as basically plugs that recommended covering them. His didn't survive our winter. Will Hortico hold them for spring? What is their replacement policy if they fail? If these are grafted, I probably wouldn't worry since the roots are already developed. The same friend also just transplanted about 10 roses with super stunted roots and they are already putting on growth.High Country Roses has a sale now and one can specify spring delivery. They are smaller OR, but grow quickly. They will have a coupon sale in November. There are so many choices; I have a small notebook filled as I come across them.
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Name: seil
St Clair Shores, MI (Zone 6a)
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seilMI
Oct 9, 2019 4:58 PM CST
I don't do bare roots in the fall any more. Every one I did never came out of dormancy in the spring. They just froze to death. You can plant container roses in the fall. The trick is to keep the root ball in tact so there is little shock to the rose. Make sure you keep it watered right up to when the ground freezes. Mulch up as high as you can and if it's windy there try to provide it with some kind of wind break for winter.

Most places will do a spring delivery date so if there are bare roots you want you can order them now and set them up for a spring delivery date.
Name: Kris Legault
Southern Oregon (Zone 8a)
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Kristinelego
Oct 9, 2019 9:57 PM CST
I got some small bands from Heirloom a few falls ago and planted them in the ground
They were so tiny that they barely made it
So, I think for me, if they are bands they get potted first but larger sizr or transplants I have no problem with fall planting.
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Name: Seth n Sam .....
W.V. (Zone 6a)
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Weluvroses
Oct 10, 2019 10:10 AM CST
Yeah these were actually in 3gals. They were pretty decent sized. I planted them yesterday. The containers came right off. Dirt didnt even fall off. They were solid roots. They had been in the containers for awhile from the looks of it.

From left to right. America Climber, 4th of July climber, and Tess of the D'urberville
I still need to add stone around the bed. And I'm gonna add more mulch. I planted the two climbers close together as to hope weave them together on a trellis I'm building behind it. 2 12' 4x4 posts 2' in the ground with concrete. Then I'm using 1x1 hardwood strips like a ladder. The posts will be roughly 5' apart. And 10' tall.
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SW Ohio River Valley (Zone 6b)
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vaporvac
Oct 10, 2019 11:37 AM CST
Those roses would also look really good pillared. In my experience, Tess will not be nearly as tall as the other two.
Name: Seth n Sam .....
W.V. (Zone 6a)
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Weluvroses
Oct 10, 2019 12:38 PM CST
I kinds thought that too. About building a pillar. And Tess is listed as a shrub. But I've read that it grows like a climber. But I'm kinda hoping it does grow more shrub like. As that was the plan. And it was free. So I cant turn down a DA rose. Especially a free one. Lol.



vaporvac said:Those roses would also look really good pillared. In my experience, Tess will not be nearly as tall as the other two.


Name: seil
St Clair Shores, MI (Zone 6a)
Roses Garden Photography Region: Michigan
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seilMI
Oct 10, 2019 8:49 PM CST
That's a lot of rose for that small area. How far apart are they planted?
Name: Seth n Sam .....
W.V. (Zone 6a)
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Weluvroses
Oct 12, 2019 1:48 PM CST
seilMI said:That's a lot of rose for that small area. How far apart are they planted?


Its bigger than it looks in the pic. I dug out a 5 1/2 foot long by 3 1/2 foot wide. And 3 foot deep. I planted the Tess 2 1/2 foot away from the center 4th of July. And then America is 2 foot from the 4th of July. I'm wanting to run both the 4th of July and America on the same wall trellis. And weave then together.

I back filled the hole with the same mix as our raised bed. Then laid weed prevention matting down. And then 3 inches of mulch on top of that. I'll add another 2 inches of mulch once I get a small retaining wall around the bed. To completely cover the base of the Rose's minus the canes coming out. Just like I did the raised bed. It seemed to work very very well. Everything I've planted like that has grown tons if new canes. I just stuck with what has been working. I asked Paul Zimmerman about planting them that close. He said he does. And that it wouldnt be problem.

Do you think I should've planted them Differently?
Name: Rosemary
Sacramento, CA (Zone 9b)
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reh0622
Oct 12, 2019 5:04 PM CST
I agree with seil and with vaporvac. On one hand, two to two-half feet is what they recommend for a hedge. If you want to keep them that close, pillars are your best bet. Train the canes to grow horizontally around the pillars. You can still intertwine them if that's what you want
Minnesota (Zone 3b)
RpR
Oct 12, 2019 6:43 PM CST
Your thread title got my attention.
I have planted Hybrid Tea roses up here, mid-Minnesota in the past and was just thinking if I should try it again, if I can get what I want, as with the ground so wet , important for fall planting it could be successful.
One time I did this I put in a lot of roses and due to an early hard freeze I ended up breaking the soil with a pry bar to dig a hole. I was waiting for dryer weather but waited too long so they were put in in miserably cold and wet weather. I knew if I got the roses in and the roses covered they should have time to set roots but . Had I waited a few days it got over 70 degrees and I would have saved my self a lot of work.
At that time while I had take care of roses for a long time it was the first time I was doing bare root rather than potted which react and are treated differently.
I just did a search on fall planting and only one site mentioned planting in areas with winter temp. like mine and it said do not do it; I am SURE or semi-sure I read a site back then that said you could plant roses in the fall but this was before I started talking to reading or bits from experts who never really agreed about any thing with HT in Minn. except -- Some will die and there is nothing you can do about it , if they do not you are the first ever and tell us how.

I did find the Gertens site on Minn. rose care, not planting fall prep. and they actually say pretty much what I do, although you MUST use at least two feet of leaves, though mom said dry leaves and they said wet leaves.
Of the ones I put in back then most survived, even though some Hortico bare root roses look like scrub weeds, SO , and this is just to see responses, would you try it again?
Name: Seth n Sam .....
W.V. (Zone 6a)
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Weluvroses
Oct 14, 2019 12:31 PM CST
reh0622 said:I agree with seil and with vaporvac. On one hand, two to two-half feet is what they recommend for a hedge. If you want to keep them that close, pillars are your best bet. Train the canes to grow horizontally around the pillars. You can still intertwine them if that's what you want


I'm building a ladder trellis. There will be a ladder bar every foot going up the two posts. The canes will run across it. Then up to the next one and back across. And keep going until the rose stops growing length wise. I have 11 roses in a 8x8 raised bed. And havent had any problems with them being planted close. I have them growing into each other so I have multiple blooms of different colors beside each other. I have no problems with root bound or anything. It's a bit of wives tale about planting them close together. I mean look at all the trial Gardens all over the states. They are planted so close together you cant see the ground front looking down between the rose bushes. Roses feed from the top part of their roots. The fibrous section. I read that from an actual horticultural book. Yes they pull water from deeper roots. But over 70% of their water intake is from the first 6 inches of roots. And those 3 are planted in the ground. They can spread roots as far as they want.

This is just done on my phone to show what I mean on how I'm going to run the canes. The white is the posts and ladder part. The red is one rose. It will be run like that. Then the other one will be run the opposite way as the red one.
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Name: Rosemary
Sacramento, CA (Zone 9b)
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reh0622
Oct 14, 2019 6:32 PM CST
It will be interesting to see them grow the way you want them to, and I wish you success.
Name: Seth n Sam .....
W.V. (Zone 6a)
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Weluvroses
Oct 17, 2019 7:52 AM CST
reh0622 said:It will be interesting to see them grow the way you want them to, and I wish you success.


I hope it works out like I want it to. But if not, I'll move one if needed. Before it gets out of hand.

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