Roses forum→"Imagination" Rose bush

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Name: Rosemary
Sacramento, CA (Zone 9b)
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reh0622
Oct 11, 2019 6:37 PM CST
Is anyone familiar with 'Imagination" rose bush? It probably came out in the 90's. I will try to post what may be a picture of it. I am not always sure of the labels at the garden where I volunteer are accurate. For instance, the label right now on this rose is "Magic Lantern", but I know that is not the correct label because 'Magic Lantern" and 'Octoberfest" are the same rose which is orange with a yellow reverse, which this rose is not, but is nearby "Octoberfest." Occasionally, these removable labels get moved around.

Update: Looks like I can' post a pic right now, but the rose is a pale yellow/pink/orange blend.
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Name: Zuzu
Northern California (Zone 9a)
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zuzu
Oct 11, 2019 11:16 PM CST

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Octoberfest actually is also known as Lantern, not Magic Lantern. There is a rose called Magic Lantern, an apricot blend according to HMF and an orange blend according to the ARS. It's popular in Europe and I'm not sure it's being sold anywhere in the United States, but here are some photos of it.

https://www.helpmefind.com/gar...
Name: Rosemary
Sacramento, CA (Zone 9b)
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reh0622
Oct 12, 2019 11:23 AM CST
Hmm, thank you, Zuzu! Perhaps the label is correct then. Maybe it's just my imagination that that the original label was "Imagination."! Thumbs down I'm still hoping to see a key to a schematic map that would help me know for sure what some of these roses are.
Name: Zuzu
Northern California (Zone 9a)
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zuzu
Oct 12, 2019 11:37 AM CST

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I thought this particular photo best matched your description of "a pale yellow/pink/orange blend." Isn't it lovely?

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Name: Rosemary
Sacramento, CA (Zone 9b)
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reh0622
Oct 17, 2019 2:35 PM CST
Yes, Zuzu, it is lovely!. It isn't the one I confused with "Imagination", though. I think it really is Magic Lantern, but because it gets a lot of shade, and not full sun, it is paler as a result.

I discovered what I thought was "Octoberfest" is actually "Imagination" in this garden. They look almost identical.
Name: Zuzu
Northern California (Zone 9a)
Charter ATP Member Region: California Cat Lover Roses Clematis Irises
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zuzu
Oct 17, 2019 3:19 PM CST

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It's interesting that HMF doesn't list any sources for Magic Lantern (Remy Martin) on this continent, but it must have been available here at some time because lots of U.S. and Canadian gardens are listed as growing this rose.
Name: Rosemary
Sacramento, CA (Zone 9b)
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reh0622
Jan 25, 2020 8:25 PM CST
Saw this old message, and decided to do an update. So after finally getting a map key to the Garden, it turns out that these bushes were Magic Lantern after all. And Octoberfest was Octoberfest and not Imagination. Apparently, one of the Imagination bushes was replaced by Octoberfest, but the map key was not updated and left Imagination. But it really is Octoberfest because the original metal Octoberfest name tag was left on the bush.

Meanwhile, it appears that both Magic Lanterns have crown gall, along with several others, including
3climbers, 3 OGR, one mini, a polyantha, and a dozen other HT's or Floribundas. For now I've just tagged them so pruners are disinfected after dealing with the tagged bush. I thought some weren't repeat blooming well because it gets some shade, but maybe it's because of crown gall. I know that means that if any are replaced, the immediate soil also must be replaced.
Name: Carol
Alberta, Canada (Zone 3b)
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Canadian_Rose
Jan 26, 2020 1:32 AM CST
Darn about the crown gall. I've never had that on my roses. Good luck with it.
Name: Rosemary
Sacramento, CA (Zone 9b)
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reh0622
Jan 26, 2020 7:18 PM CST
Thank you for the sympathy, Carol! It's only because I asked about it on this forum that I began researching it. "Experts" have given me different views, but I have learned so much here and through reading other sources. I've found there are experienced rosarians who are unexperienced with crown gall, and aren't even aware of it when it is right under their noses until it's pointed out to them. They didn't think they had it, so they hadn't noticed it. With the new threat of RRD, and crown gall that goes unnoticed, more and more it seems like a very good idea to disinfect pruners between bushes.
Name: Carol
Alberta, Canada (Zone 3b)
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Canadian_Rose
Jan 26, 2020 8:42 PM CST
Rosemary - yes...it's a nuisance to disinfect pruners between bushes...but it could save a ton of money and effort in the long run. I should probably start doing this. D'Oh!

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