Roses forum: Anyone have Experience with Controlling the Height of Roses?

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Name: Lynnez
N. California (Zone 9b)
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Lynnez
Oct 19, 2019 5:49 PM CST
I plant a row of Queen of Sweden and PAoK this year,. Looks very lovely in the spring.

Then Queen of Sweden grows out of control, shooting to sky high even I cut back in half. Right now they are about 6-8 feet tall.

Anyone knows how to control the height of the rose? Especially queen of Sweden?

Thank you all!

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Name: Porkpal
Richmond, TX
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porkpal
Oct 20, 2019 6:59 AM CST
I'm no help; I prefer the fall look!
Porkpal
Name: Lynnez
N. California (Zone 9b)
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Lynnez
Oct 20, 2019 7:40 AM CST
porkpal said:I'm no help; I prefer the fall look!


that's forest Rolling on the floor laughing
Name: Rosemary
Sacramento, CA (Zone 9b)
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reh0622
Oct 20, 2019 9:45 AM CST
I've been noticing that the more shade a rose gets, the taller it grows, probably because it is reaching for the light since roses are sun-loving plants. And as others have pointed out, most roses like to just bloom on the ends of a cane, so prune, prune, prune. I guess you would have to stick with strictly landscape shrubs in full sun to prevent super tall growth on the end of a single cane, not that I'm an expert...just what I've noticed and gleaned from this forum and my own experience.
Name: seil
St Clair Shores, MI (Zone 6a)
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seilMI
Oct 20, 2019 11:07 AM CST
You can try to control it but if a rose wants to grow a certain way it will fight you. And you have to remember that pruning always stimulates new growth. So cutting it just makes it want to grow more.
Name: Lynnez
N. California (Zone 9b)
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Lynnez
Oct 20, 2019 11:09 AM CST
Thank you, Rosemary. I only cut back to 4 feet after blooming. I will cut.more next year Thank You!
Name: Lynnez
N. California (Zone 9b)
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Lynnez
Oct 20, 2019 11:14 AM CST
Thank you, Seil. I feel hopeless now
Name: Lyn
Weaverville, California (Zone 8a)
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RoseBlush1
Oct 20, 2019 11:36 AM CST
Lynnez said:Thank you, Seil. I feel hopeless now


I don't know the rose, so what I am going to suggest may not be the best idea.

Seil is right. If a rose is genetically programmed to grow long canes, it is going to grow long canes.

If the canes are limber enough you can peg it. You don't even have to peg it to the ground, but can tie it into itself by bending the long canes down and tie it into the original plant, or tie it into plants sited near it.

Bending the cane breaks the flow of sap. The more horizontal growth you have, the more light hits the exposed bud eyes and new growth is stimulated at that point. You end up with a LOT more blooms ... Smiling all over the plant.

You can Google "pegging roses" and get a lot of hits. I got this link from using Google Images

https://www.google.com/imgres?...

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SoCal (Zone 10a)
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SoCalGardenNut
Oct 20, 2019 11:51 AM CST
Mine is a climber.
Coastal Southern California (Zone 13a)
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jerijen
Oct 20, 2019 12:10 PM CST
You can try pegging or self-pegging, but I will tell you before you start that many of the Austin roses do this in mild-climate zones with long hours of daylight. If they are determined to grow like that, it's not possible to change them.

Because of that characteristic, I tried self-pegging several Austin roses. The process was pretty awful.

Some of the canes tied that way died back. Others (The Pilgrim comes to mind) grew long, vine-like extensions, which went to the ground, and snaked through the grass. The third time one of them wrapped itself around my husband's ankles, that rose was GONE.

Clair Martin observed that roses which Austin expected to grow more than 4-ft. tall were going to do this in California (and probably some other places).
While roses which Austin rated at 4-ft. or lower generally stayed at that height.

If QoS is one of those Jolly Green Giants, you might as well grow it as a climber, with the canes espaliered horizontally, to encourage blooming laterals.
Name: Lynnez
N. California (Zone 9b)
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Lynnez
Oct 20, 2019 4:37 PM CST
Thank you all, I will try to grow QS as climber next year
Name: Christopher
New Brunswick, NJ, USA (Zone 7a)
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AquaEyes
Oct 20, 2019 5:19 PM CST
I prefer pegging high, rather than to the ground. If you want this rose to be wider and shorter, consider adding some stakes around the rose, then training the canes to arch outward, aiming to take something going straight up and instead making it go at a steady angle, still finishing higher than the point of origin for each cane. Visualize a shape like an exaggerated upside-down traffic cone. Imagine you're training it as a climber on a structure, but that structure is just where you put the stakes. Imagine a 3D espalier. If you have a mixed garden, you'd be amazed at how those stakes will disappear behind other plants, and you'll have the effect of a broader, spreading rose.....and probably more blooms as well.

:-)

~Christopher

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