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Vilnius, Lithuania
Pavelas
Nov 9, 2019 12:01 AM CST
Hello,
I'm very curious what kind of hybrid is this? And no, it's not separate plant, it looks like mix between thuja and juniper.


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Yorkshirelass
Nov 9, 2019 9:21 AM CST
Pretty sure it;s Cryptomeria.


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Silversurfer
Nov 9, 2019 10:35 AM CST
It looks like a grafted tree...one where the top is still growing but you have very different twigs, needles, colour growing from the rootstock.
Vilnius, Lithuania
Pavelas
Nov 9, 2019 11:58 AM CST
Well, I found it in Botanical Garden of Vilnius University, too bad there was label on it. :(
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skylark
Nov 10, 2019 4:50 PM CST
it's not a crypto - those have short needles. This one has scales, it's very much like Thuja.
are those cones at the tips of branches or young growth? if cones that's a very specific give-away for a specialist. which i am not :). but Thuja plicata has similar tip cones.
oh, and it's not a grafted tree - it's another tree altogether peeking thru.
do you have a close-up pic of a cone?
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skylark
Nov 10, 2019 6:00 PM CST
i have found this pic : says Cyprus of some kind, but it's in North FL. And of course it might be be mis-identified.
but cone growth is very similar to yours.
https://www.alamy.com/tiny-see...
and then there is this, but with red cones. At least it is more north-growing :)
https://www.woodlandtrust.org....
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porkpal
Nov 10, 2019 7:30 PM CST
Whatever it is I have a tree that just popped up in some sand that was delivered years ago, and it has matured to look just like it to me.
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skylark
Nov 11, 2019 8:45 AM CST
porkpal,
can you post close-up pics? does it have cones yet?
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porkpal
Nov 11, 2019 9:58 AM CST
My photo capability is limited, but I'll try.
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Frillylily
Nov 11, 2019 10:19 AM CST
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Silversurfer
Nov 11, 2019 10:25 AM CST
Frillylily said:the bluish colored part looks like a blue juniper
the entire photo looks like I have no idea Hilarious! It looks like two trees in one. You are saying that the blue parts are attached to the other? Growing on the same branches?


Hence my suggestion....It looks like a grafted tree...one where the top is still growing but you have very different twigs, needles, colour growing from the rootstock......reversion.

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Nov 11, 2019 10:28 AM CST
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Nov 11, 2019 10:29 AM CST
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Nov 11, 2019 10:30 AM CST
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porkpal
Nov 11, 2019 10:39 AM CST
I took some shots of my similar tree. It is windy so not sharp. I tried to show that the new foliage looks spiky and blue while the older is scaly and greener.
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The 1st and 3rd photo show blurry blue bits - sorry, the best I could do.
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skylark
Nov 11, 2019 10:51 AM CST
it is the same tree for sure! thanks!
it's not a graft, it's possible to have different growth on the same tree.
can you take a pic of cone where you can see it clearly? the shape of it?
i found this pic of Leyland cyprus cones up close. do yours look like that?
https://www.ces.ncsu.edu/wp-co...
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skylark
Nov 11, 2019 11:03 AM CST
i think i have an answer:
Chamaecyparis lawsoniana (Lawson's False Cypress)
juvenile growth is different: short needles, while adult growth is scaly.
male cones on tips of branches.
quote:
Conifer (but not a true cedar), evergreen tree, 40-60 ft (12-18 m) tall, (180 ft in wild), narrow, pyramidal, buttressed trunk. Short ascending branches, drooping at the tips. Flattened frond-like twigs are arranged horizontally, developing white "X" markings on the underside. Juvenile foliage is mostly upright, but usually congested and prickly (thin, sharp needles). Adult foliage is softer and made up of overlapping scale-like leaves. These leaves are closely pressed in opposite pairs, mostly 2-3 mm, apex acute to acuminate, lateral pair keel-shaped and overlapping smaller facial pair, glands ("a dot") usually present. Male (staminate) pollen cones on the tips of branchlets, ovate to oblong, dark brown to red at pollen release. Female flowers inconspicuous, solitary, green to blue-green, developing into seed cones that are globose (round or spherical shape), 8 mm across, blue-green then ripening to brown in the first season, with about 8 scales.
https://landscapeplants.oregon...
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Name: Porkpal
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porkpal
Nov 11, 2019 12:25 PM CST
Sounds right to me.
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skylark
Nov 11, 2019 2:30 PM CST
i am curious about your tree: so it grew from seed? or you found a sprouted seedling already?
how tall is it now? how fast did it grow?
and since you observed the growth, how do juvenile needles (that are very similar to juniper)
change to scales? or do they fall of and scales develop then?
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porkpal
Nov 11, 2019 5:35 PM CST
It was about 4" tall when I noticed it, and all the foliage was blue and spiky. I transplanted it to its current location in 2002 when it was about 18" tall. It is now maybe 15' tall and much more spreading than the trees in your link. The branches grow fairly horizontally and the wood is very red in the center when cut. Our extension agent called it a "Texas Red Cedar" - for what it's worth... The juvenile needles do not drop off, they just develop the scaly form as they enlarge, I think. The needles at the tip of a twig will be spikes and farther down they are fatter and slightly scaly. ???
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