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Dec 5, 2019 1:10 PM CST
Name: Tom
Southern Wisconsin (Zone 5b)
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This is seedling 13-8-A (Mastery X Gypsy Lord ) Pod parent which I had posted long ago was crossed with . . .
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Decadence Pollen parent.
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There were two of the resulting offspring so far that I have kept along with some that haven't bloomed yet:
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Things I like about it:
Clean white standards
Blended color falls
White rim on falls
White underside of falls
bright beard
Things that concern me:
Bloom count was 5
Could use more ruffles.
What do you think? Expand the pictures to get a closer look. Be honest! Smiling
I will share another one from this cross later.
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Dec 5, 2019 1:18 PM CST
Name: Jan Wax
Mendocino County, N. CA (Zone 9a)
I'm a semi-retired studio potter.
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I like the bright white standards and bright beard, Tom. I'm no judge . but it's an appealing iris to me. Hurray!
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Dec 5, 2019 1:44 PM CST
Name: Leslie
Durham, NC (Zone 8a)
Garden Photography Cat Lover Irises Region: North Carolina Peonies Enjoys or suffers hot summers
Celebrating Gardening: 2015
I like the blend and veining on the falls. Would I keep it - yes. Cross it to bring out more blending or ruffles and try to keep the white rim. Intro it, maybe not because there are many in that color group. Interesting that it is so different than it's parents. Are white standards common from yellow top parents? I am not up on my iris genes.
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Dec 5, 2019 1:51 PM CST
Name: Jan Wax
Mendocino County, N. CA (Zone 9a)
I'm a semi-retired studio potter.
Dog Lover Hummingbirder Organic Gardener Daylilies Region: Ukraine Region: California
Irises Dahlias Garden Art Cat Lover Vegetable Grower Birds
I wondered about the white standards from yellow tops too, Leslie. I always
thought only whites made white.
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Dec 5, 2019 1:53 PM CST
Name: Tom
Southern Wisconsin (Zone 5b)
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It was the only one so far with white standards, but I'd guess that came from Gypsy Lord.
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Dec 5, 2019 2:39 PM CST
Name: Leon
Indiana (Zone 5a)
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tveguy3 said:
There were two of the resulting offspring so far that I have kept along with some that haven't bloomed yet:
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Things I like about it:
Clean white standards
Blended color falls
White rim on falls
White underside of falls
bright beard
Things that concern me:
Bloom count was 5
Could use more ruffles.
What do you think? Expand the pictures to get a closer look. Be honest! Smiling
I will share another one from this cross later.



I could never qualify as a judge; probably because what I like in an iris doesn't meet the professional "judging" requirements of the experts. With that said I don't evaluate a plant by what the experts say. I go by my own instincts and preferences. An iris first must grow well and bloom in my zone a/b environment, and not rot or freeze out! Then I judge on looks, size, color(s), and rhizome increases. One more thing; everyone's taste can differ from one plant to another for a lot of reasons (Size, color, form, hue, etc.).

I will leave the judging to the pros and hybridizers in the commercial markets. They have spent their lifetimes working and developing many gorgeous plants. However, if there is something I really like in seedlings like Tom's I don't mind where it comes from; I will grow it! Of all the things Tom listed, his pictures say it best. I don't find anything "bad". I like it just like it is. The right photo shows it best. This would make a beautiful plant in my garden! I'm being honest. Thumbs up
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Dec 5, 2019 3:05 PM CST
Name: Darrell
Piketon, Ohio (Zone 6b)
Irises Organic Gardener
I like it Tom. I personally always look for great garden performance and good increase. Bud count (5 is fine) is not that important to me, but I do like good branching; for example, Rosalie Figge has a beautiful flower, very high bud count, but very poor branching here in my garden in zone 6b which makes it an undesirable iris to me.

What color is the beard?
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Dec 5, 2019 4:43 PM CST
Name: Tom
Southern Wisconsin (Zone 5b)
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Leon, all of the things that you mentioned are important, plus branching and spacing as well. I don't like when the blooms are so crowded that you can't see them. This bloom has good substance and withstood a pretty big storm, or storms, as it seemed to rain a lot this year. This one has OK branching, two plus the terminal, double socketed on two branches and single on the lowest branch.but since it's the first year things can change after it's more established. We'll have to see. I had many named irises this year with lower bud count then usual and it may be a weather related thing.

Hybridizer The beard is a bright red/orange.

photo after the storm.
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Dec 5, 2019 6:25 PM CST
Name: Leon
Indiana (Zone 5a)
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tveguy3 said: I had many named irises this year with lower bud count then usual and it may be a weather related thing.

photo after the storm.
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Thanks Tom,
Still a very attractive iris! And you are so right; weather can affect them in different ways.
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Dec 5, 2019 7:16 PM CST
Name: Evelyn
Sierra foothills, Northern CA (Zone 8a)
Irises Region: Ukraine Garden Procrastinator Bee Lover Butterflies Plant and/or Seed Trader
Region: California Cat Lover Deer Bulbs Foliage Fan Annuals
tveguy3 said:There were two of the resulting offspring so far that I have kept along with some that haven't bloomed yet:
Thumb of 2019-12-05/tveguy3/c6c453 Thumb of 2019-12-05/tveguy3/1dccad
Things I like about it:
Clean white standards
Blended color falls
White rim on falls
White underside of falls
bright beard


Tom ~ I do like it. It is very pretty! That is my personal opinion, as I am very far from being any kind of professional. I am in agreement with Leon, if it grows well, has good substance, spacing, etc....and I like the bloom, then I would grow it! Lovey dubby
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Dec 5, 2019 8:31 PM CST
Name: Elsa
Las Cruces, New Mexico (Zone 8a)
Dog Lover Irises Region: New Mexico Region: Southwest Gardening Region: United States of America
The longer I look at it, the more I like it. It reminds me a bunch of Grace Upon Grace which I am fond of. But I believe your bloom is more beautiful because of the white border. The White underbelly is very interesting. If I saw that listed in a catalog, I might buy it soley for that trait.
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Dec 6, 2019 4:42 AM CST
Name: Tom
Southern Wisconsin (Zone 5b)
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Daylilies Cat Lover Region: Wisconsin Celebrating Gardening: 2015
Here is the other sibling that I kept from this batch. As you can see it's very different from the other one.
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You have to expand it to see the details. What do you think?
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Dec 6, 2019 7:18 AM CST
Name: Lucy
Hamilton, MA (Zone 6b)
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Enjoys or suffers cold winters
The white & purple is better. Things are getting over ruffled, but the bloom count would be a worry.
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Dec 6, 2019 8:21 AM CST
Name: Leslie
Durham, NC (Zone 8a)
Garden Photography Cat Lover Irises Region: North Carolina Peonies Enjoys or suffers hot summers
Celebrating Gardening: 2015
It has a bit of a horn?

I agree with Lucy. I like the form and color better on the purple and white one. The purple and orange I would work with because the bleed out of the color on the falls is really interesting.
"The chimera is a one time happenstance event where the plant has a senior moment and forgets what it is doing." - Paul Black
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Dec 6, 2019 12:46 PM CST
Name: Ed
Upstate SC (Zone 8a)
My taste (I use the term loosely) is for things I don't see often.

Around here, I seldom see pure white standards unless the entire bloom is white. Darker falls seem to usually have some beige, yellow or blue undertones in the white. And I like a contrasting beard. So I like it; it's different to me. The orange one with the neon "arnge" beard is my kind of color combo. Now if you can put the orange standards on the purple falls and name it Clemson _____. You'll sell them all day long down here....go tigers!
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Dec 6, 2019 1:16 PM CST
Name: Leslie
Durham, NC (Zone 8a)
Garden Photography Cat Lover Irises Region: North Carolina Peonies Enjoys or suffers hot summers
Celebrating Gardening: 2015
Hilarious! Hilarious!
"The chimera is a one time happenstance event where the plant has a senior moment and forgets what it is doing." - Paul Black
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Dec 6, 2019 1:25 PM CST
Name: Tom
Southern Wisconsin (Zone 5b)
Butterflies Vegetable Grower Keeper of Poultry Irises Keeps Horses Dog Lover
Daylilies Cat Lover Region: Wisconsin Celebrating Gardening: 2015
Ed too funny! Hilarious! The second one is really more interesting in person then in picture. It's kind of hard to get the brightness of the colors with a camera. I can see it's not everyone's cup of tea. It's surely not worthy of introduction, but I think it will be fun to work with it to see what happens with it's good bloodlines.
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Dec 6, 2019 7:47 PM CST
Name: daphne
san diego county, ca (Zone 10a)
Vermiculture Million Pollinator Garden Challenge
i like the form on the white with dark falls and because of it's clear color distinction, thumbs up on the ruffles, but am not too keen on opposite color wheel blending. my painter's eye sees these colors as muddying the waters. Shrug!
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Dec 6, 2019 11:45 PM CST
Name: Lucy
Hamilton, MA (Zone 6b)
irises
Charter ATP Member Cottage Gardener Irises Region: Northeast US Region: United Kingdom Region: United States of America
Enjoys or suffers cold winters
but add buds. 5 is the standard for a BB. My BB 'Hi Buddy' got its name because it has 7.
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Dec 7, 2019 12:25 AM CST
Name: Evelyn
Sierra foothills, Northern CA (Zone 8a)
Irises Region: Ukraine Garden Procrastinator Bee Lover Butterflies Plant and/or Seed Trader
Region: California Cat Lover Deer Bulbs Foliage Fan Annuals
shizen said:i like the form on the white with dark falls and because of it's clear color distinction, thumbs up on the ruffles, but am not too keen on opposite color wheel blending. my painter's eye sees these colors as muddying the waters. Shrug!


I agree
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