Daylilies forum: Daylily Farmers... anyone got any experience with a Forestry Mulcher?

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Name: Jeff
Newaygo, Michigan (Zone 5a)
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goedric
Dec 10, 2019 7:43 AM CST
Hey All... bought too many seeds on The Daylily Auction.. so gonna need a place for seedlings. Bought a couple acres and it needs some lighter clearing... lots of 1" staghorn sumac and areas w trees up to 4"... did some online research and seemed to me a forestry mulcher was a better option than big machines that rip away all the topsoil.... these Forestry Mulchers apparently can pull down a 4-6" tree and shred it... then a second pass more finely mulches... mulch can then be raked and piled or whatever...

Anyone used one? Any advise?
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Name: Mary
Crown Point, Indiana (Zone 5b)
josieskid
Dec 10, 2019 8:00 AM CST
Nice toy. Hilarious!
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Name: Larry
Enterprise, Al. 36330 (Zone 8b)
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Seedfork
Dec 10, 2019 8:01 AM CST
Sorry, after watching, the video appears to have disappeared.
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Name: Jeff
Newaygo, Michigan (Zone 5a)
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goedric
Dec 10, 2019 8:14 AM CST
Seedfork said:Sorry, after watching, the video appears to have disappeared.

of one working.... ... its about $200 an hour

https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

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Name: Rj
Just S of the twin cities of M (Zone 4b)
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crawgarden
Dec 10, 2019 10:32 AM CST
Cool tool!
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Name: Sue
Ontario, Canada (Zone 4a)
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sooby
Dec 10, 2019 12:27 PM CST
Have not used one but if it leaves root fragments of staghorn sumac behind they can regrow.
Name: Jeff
Newaygo, Michigan (Zone 5a)
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goedric
Dec 10, 2019 4:28 PM CST
sooby said:Have not used one but if it leaves root fragments of staghorn sumac behind they can regrow.


Yes this would only be to clear... i would still need to plow up roots stones, amend the soil, fence it in, etc.... just one of many steps...
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Frillylily
Dec 18, 2019 1:27 AM CST
sounds awesome, would save alot of hand work. If you do use it, make us a nice review/update and a video nodding
Name: Sue
Ontario, Canada (Zone 4a)
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sooby
Dec 18, 2019 6:04 AM CST
goedric said:

Yes this would only be to clear... i would still need to plow up roots stones, amend the soil, fence it in, etc.... just one of many steps...


Plowing won't bring all the broken root fragments to the surface for picking up, so I still suspect you will be pulling baby sumacs for a long time since it just needs a small piece of root to make a new plant Smiling Hope I'm wrong!
Name: Davi (Judy) Davisson
Sherrills Ford, NC (Zone 7a)
Davi
Dec 18, 2019 6:49 AM CST
I've seen these used here in North Carolina and the usual procedure is to use a Round Up type spray to kill all vegetation and let it sit for quite some time to make sure all the roots are dead before clearing. I believe Sue has nailed the problem....some roots go all the way to China, some things reseed easily, so a plow and "pick up" may not rid the property of problem vegetation. Some of the problem weeds here in North Carolina just seek revenge by multiplying faster after cutting underground runners. So it is a matter of knowing the plant habit of the vegetation you are clearing. It might be simple....might not. Keep posting on your progress!
Name: Jeff
Newaygo, Michigan (Zone 5a)
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goedric
Dec 18, 2019 11:29 AM CST
Yep.... all true... but there is no better alternative.. using big rigs to remove all the top soil and trucking it away is very expensive as well (by a factor of 10) ...

Anyway... cleared about an acre and a half maybe two.... about 40% of that had sumac.... and the rest had a variety of 3-4" softwood and hardwood trees... there was also the frame of an old wooden garage/mini barn that was mulched as well... took 7 hrs... some of that was needed to remove some larger trees (7" diameter) near the road that made it difficult to see oncomming traffic. Total cost was $1500

Not adverse to chemicals if need be... but will try it without next year and see how it goes... we shall see! Im sure its going to be a process that will either make me stronger or kill me! LOL


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Name: Mary
Crown Point, Indiana (Zone 5b)
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Dec 18, 2019 11:55 AM CST
Jeff, you are amazing! What a journey you are on! Please document it well on here for all of us! Hurray! Hurray! Hurray!
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Name: Larry
Enterprise, Al. 36330 (Zone 8b)
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Seedfork
Dec 18, 2019 2:28 PM CST
Jeff,
Wow, I am so impressed with the expense and the effort you have put forth and the results you are showing. Looks like that mulcher did a great job of clearing out a lot of trees and brush.$1,,000 dollars is a lot of money to me, but it looks like it was well spent. What is your time frame for being able to plant, are you going into daylily growing as a business? Acquiring the property and having it cleared seems like a commercial project to me.
Name: Jeff
Newaygo, Michigan (Zone 5a)
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goedric
Dec 18, 2019 4:01 PM CST
Seedfork said:Jeff,
Wow, I am so impressed with the expense and the effort you have put forth and the results you are showing. Looks like that mulcher did a great job of clearing out a lot of trees and brush.$1,,000 dollars is a lot of money to me, but it looks like it was well spent. What is your time frame for being able to plant, are you going into daylily growing as a business? Acquiring the property and having it cleared seems like a commercial project to me.


I am basically semi-retired... no 9 to 5 but several rental properties that are my "retirement" and I hope to renovate and either flip or rent out a home year... so I need a hobby. My background is ecology and botany... not that I ever used my college education for any of that... so I am throwing myself into this hobby.

The land is an investment... i can use it as long as I like and sell when/if i need to. The clearing actually made it much more valuable because people can look at it now and visualize a home on it.... but I intend to turn it into a private nursery for my daylily seedlings... i am going to plant about 8,000 seeds this winter and will need a place to plant the seedlings come late spring....

Maybe one day I will open a boutique daylily nursery there... or maybe I will just make beautiful gardens to enjoy with family and friends or perhaps rent them out for events or something... who knows.... for now i am just planning a sanctuary for me to expand my hobby. I am cringing at the money side of it as well... but honestly.. the land, clearing and fencing will basically be less than the cost of new pickup truck... so I will just continue to drive an old beat up 2002 old man Buick sedan and forgo the pickup truck and enjoy my garden space! (at least that's how I am justifying the costs).

Plus the land has a little bit of frontage on a small private lake... named Blood Lake of all things... a great name for toothy daylilies I think.... so when i saw it was for sale I had a hard time putting it out of my mind...


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Name: Larry
Enterprise, Al. 36330 (Zone 8b)
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Seedfork
Dec 18, 2019 4:06 PM CST
Time to trade in the Buick and get a pickup, I just don't think I would be able to garden without my truck!
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The lake shot makes the entire project so much better, beautiful spot for a garden.
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Name: Jeff
Newaygo, Michigan (Zone 5a)
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goedric
Dec 18, 2019 4:45 PM CST
Seedfork said:Time to trade in the Buick and get a pickup, I just don't think I would be able to garden without my truck!
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The lake shot makes the entire project so much better, beautiful spot for a garden.


A nice pickup is not in the budget... especially withe the insurance rates in Michigan.... but maybe a beat up old cargo van with lots of rust, dents and low mileage... could use that for my renovation projects as well... Sticking tongue out

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Name: Mary
Crown Point, Indiana (Zone 5b)
josieskid
Dec 18, 2019 9:44 PM CST
If you guys are gonna talk trucks now, then I'm outta here! Thumbs down Rolling on the floor laughing
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Frillylily
Dec 19, 2019 1:06 AM CST
I have a van and I LOVE it. I can haul all sorts of buckets, bagged mulch, compost, and I've even put a 4x8 sheet of sheetrock in there. I lay trees down in there and have even hauled rock and concrete block. I think you can pull a small trailer with a van. I have hauled most of my garden in, using my van Lovey dubby I don't know how I ever would have got by with a car. If you save the reciepts for your clearing off, you can probably take that off your taxes when you sell it (maybe before?) since it was an improvement to the property.
Name: Mike
Hazel Crest, IL (Zone 5b)
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Hazelcrestmikeb
Dec 19, 2019 7:43 AM CST
Awesome job Jeff. I am pulling for "STRONGER" Hurray!
Lots of potential nodding
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Name: Robin
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Dec 19, 2019 12:31 PM CST
Jeff, you've done a really nice job and in record time I'm thinking. You had a vision and wasted no time getting it done. There's lots of options for you to move forward in such a beautiful setting. Keep up the great work! I look forward following your progress and living vicariously through each step you accomplish, thanks for sharing. I tip my hat to you.
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