Plant Database forum: Underground parts of plants

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Name: Kent Pfeiffer
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KentPfeiffer
Aug 6, 2012 7:54 AM CST

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Information about the underground parts of plants is currently scattered in different parts of the plant entries. Rhizome is listed under Plant Habit, Corm and Stolons/Runners are listed under Propagation: Other methods, and Bulb is listed in both places. I've often wished that the various underground structures of plants (rhizomes, tubers, taproots, bulbs, corms, etc.) were all listed together in their own category.
Name: Dave Whitinger
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dave
Aug 6, 2012 7:55 AM CST

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This is easily do-able.

We'll create a new category called something like "Underground structures" and every type will be listed out and can be checked off. I will then migrate the data from where they currently are over to the new location.

Could you tell me all the options you want?
Name: Evan
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eclayne
Aug 6, 2012 8:08 AM CST

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Great idea. Some of this info. is in text boxes, at least for Aroids. ex. Elephant Ear (Colocasia esculenta)
see Propagation: Other methods: Other: Tuber. Can this be migrated as well?
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Name: Dave Whitinger
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dave
Aug 6, 2012 8:35 AM CST

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Probably, if the text box says the same exact thing in every case. In that event if you tell me something like:

"Every time you see "Tuber" in "Propagation: Other methods: Other" then please check off "X" under "Y".

I can do that pretty easily.
Name: Evan
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eclayne
Aug 6, 2012 8:50 AM CST

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dave said:"Every time you see "Tuber" in "Propagation: Other methods: Other" then please check off "X" under "Y".


OT but is there a name for this kind of language string.
Evan
Name: Dave Whitinger
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dave
Aug 6, 2012 8:52 AM CST

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I usually refer to them as "Mass Change Proposals". Smiling And I love doing them, too!
Name: Evan
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eclayne
Aug 6, 2012 9:28 AM CST

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Thanks
Evan
Name: Kent Pfeiffer
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KentPfeiffer
Aug 7, 2012 9:44 PM CST

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Sorry, haven't been at the computer much the past few days. I'm sure I'm forgetting some, but here are a few examples that might usefully placed into an underground parts of plants category in the database:

Rhizome
Taproot
Corm
Bulb
Tuber

There are at least two types of tubers, stem tubers and root tubers, but I'm not sure it is worth making the distinction? Interestingly, potatoes (stem tubers) and sweet potatoes (root tubers) are two easy examples of the difference between the two types of tubers.

Stolons are a bit of a conundrum as well. They typically grow along or above the surface of the ground, so wouldn't seem to fit in this category. But, stolons are basically pretty similar to rhizomes. Both are stems that grow horizontally and produce new roots and shoots at nodes along their length.
Name: Dave Whitinger
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dave
Aug 9, 2012 9:31 AM CST

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I don't think we need to differentiate between stem or root tubers but we can easily add it later if we wish. I think for stolons, those are best addressed under the propagation methods area.

I have created the Underground Structures databox and added those 5 options to it.

Now I can do mass updates. What I want to do is:

For all plants that have "Plant Habit: Bulb" checked off, check off "Underground structures: Bulb".
For all plants that have "Plant Habit: Rhizome" checked off, check off "Underground structures: Rhizome"

Then remove Bulb and Rhizome from the Plant Habit databox.

Then, I propose I go through all the "Propagation: Other methods" checkboxes and leave them alone, but any plant who has checked off Bulbs or Corms will have the appropriate checkbox checked off.

If I'm leaving anything out, please let me know!
Name: Dave Whitinger
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dave
Aug 9, 2012 9:52 AM CST

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I also checked off "Tubers" for all plants that have a species name that begins with "tubero" (like tuberosa, tuberosum, etc)

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