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Name: Stefan
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skopjecollection
Jan 9, 2020 12:55 PM CST
Welcome by the way
Name: Baja
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Jan 9, 2020 1:54 PM CST

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skopjecollection said:And besides, i dont make the rules concerning uploads. The site has that option enabled, and its meant to be used. I dont call the shots on what gets labeled, watermarked etc.


Please ask for permission before associating a new member's photo with the database.

Thank You!
Name: Stefan
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skopjecollection
Jan 9, 2020 2:03 PM CST
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Name: Lin Vosbury
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plantladylin
Jan 9, 2020 2:21 PM CST
Thank you @Gull for being okay with your great photos being added to our database.

I do understand though, some members do not want others taking the liberty of moving their pictures. Years ago, I moved someones photo from an individual post to the database and I received a tree mail from the photo owner telling me to never move their photos again! She said that she would add her own photos to the database if she felt they were of good quality and did not want other members taking the liberty to do so. Now I don't ever move someone else's photos; I just suggest on the thread that they'd be a great addition to our database. Green Grin!
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Name: Baja
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Baja_Costero
Jan 9, 2020 2:39 PM CST

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In all fairness I have turned off that feature in my own preferences, because I take a lot of pictures (some better than others) and I like to choose the best ones for any given plant.

I think the frustration comes about because (a) people don't expect the database associations, so they come as a surprise; and (b) they happen anonymously, so people don't know who made it happen, usually. It's kind of a blind twofer of surprise and loss of control and some folks don't enjoy the experience. I like to prevent that by asking permission in advance. It's rarely a big deal if I ask. People are always reassured (in my experience) when I tell them they can turn off this feature in their preferences.

@Gull thanks for stopping by and bringing an unusual (this side of central America) plant to our attention. Come back soon with pictures when it flowers. Smiling
Name: Baja
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Baja_Costero
Jan 9, 2020 2:50 PM CST

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skopjecollection said:I doubt youve been the victim of unauthorized(or at least in a sense) photo being made viewable online.

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This is my eriosyce senilis photo that i uploaded on houzz 2 years ago.


Why would you need to provide authorization for an image to appear in a Google search? Google indexes the web, that's what it does. They do not take possession of the image or use it to sell plants. They tell the world where it is. They connect info-dots in the info-world. If somebody clicks on the image they are sent to the relevant thread in the forum. I have no idea how that makes anyone a victim. Shrug! Everybody wins, as far as I can tell.

skopjecollection said:Im not upset that...you know, my photo is up there on google search. I am very upset however by the fact they chose those 2 awful photos in particular when they did...


There are no people choosing those images. It's artificial intelligence. If you want to rage at the machine, I guess that's your prerogative. Smiling I think it did a fine job and the picture is helpful, but that's just my opinion.

A funny story here...

Years ago an image of mine from a forum on another site was picked up by somebody at the LA Times and featured in a story about succulents. I think they found it somewhere else on line (somebody else making money from my work) and not the original forum (which required payment to access full size images). They never contacted me.

When I saw the story I was sort of flattered more than annoyed (once the annoyance subsided, which was pretty quick). The funny part is that in the appropriation of my image somebody got the name of the plant confused with my forum user name and it became the "Baja Costero plant" instead of a named Echeveria hybrid. So now I'm a published plant, who knew!?! Rolling on the floor laughing Such are the ways of the virtual game of telephone. Maybe I should create an entry for myself in the database. Smiling

Here's an updated version of the story (the original is no longer available online) if you want to see what a Baja Costero plant looks like. Smiling That picture is not mine, so it's all good.

https://www.pressreader.com/us...
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Name: Daisy I
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Jan 9, 2020 3:10 PM CST
You are a lovely plant. Smiling
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Name: Donald
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needrain
Jan 9, 2020 8:35 PM CST
@Gull Welcome to NGA. I sent you acorns because usually if you post the first photo in the database of a particular plant, you receive two acorns. I can't remember the rules, but a 2nd photo of the same plant usually gets one acorn, I believe.

As for NGA members uploading another members' photo to the database, that has happened to me on several occasions and was performed by long term NGA members in good standing who are still active members. I was notified when it was done by the site, but was never asked beforehand. Ultimately I changed my personal info after what I thought was a poor photo of mine that I also had doubts as being correct for the plant got uploaded to the DB.

I don't use watermarks. It's not an issue for me on my photos being used. I discovered some iris photos were used in a Russian catalog for a commercial iris garden. I've had a couple used as illustrations in a book and gave permission sometime after the fact after people discovered photos being used without requesting permission. I had been told one of my photos was being used a couple months before I got the request for permission Green Grin! , which I gave. Sometime later I received a free copy of the book. The only time I've ever been asked for permission to use a photo was for a cactus photo I put here in the database. That one was used in an advertisement. They also needed a high pixel photograph, so I guess it could have been necessity that caused them to ask. I sent the higher pixel photo and was linked to a how the ad looked. It was a perfume ad, I think.

I think the decision on whether one objects to the use of a photo needs to be made before it's put on the internet - anywhere. I've seen some where the watermarks were edited out, so watermarks are not a guarantee that the photo won't be used. It may make it more difficult, but I wonder how difficult for some people. I never think my photos are good enough, so I've just been sort of bemused that they didn't dig further and find a better one. I'm sure it's possible that a photo would be used in a context that I would find objectionable, but it would be even more objectionable if the photo were associated with me. I think the odds of that happening are slight. Photos I put on the web are likely to be bland subject matter for most people
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Name: Stefan
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skopjecollection
Jan 9, 2020 11:20 PM CST
@Baja_Costero, actually it comes down to algorithms, which are made by people. They somehow made it to associate that particular photo with that particular plant(which may not have even been entirely correct), and there is always that fine print under terms and conditions nobody ever reads.
Those same algorithms profile and track you, and give you those random youtube suggestions for instance. I think something related was about facebook and the zuckberg trial.
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Name: Lin Vosbury
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plantladylin
Jan 10, 2020 8:41 AM CST
I've found a couple of my photos on the internet where the watermark has been cropped. One website I've contacted a couple of times over the years, asking them to either credit my name or remove my photo but never received a response and the photos are still on their site. One is my Hoya carnosa photo here, taken from the Dave's Garden site that I belonged to years ago: https://worldofsucculents.com/...

I guess it's sometimes hit or miss when we put our pictures out there.
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Name: Donald
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needrain
Jan 10, 2020 9:11 AM CST
"I guess it's sometimes hit or miss when we put our pictures out there."

Yes. It's always a possibility, I think. They do have the source of the photo so it's clear that it's not their photo. I guess they think Dave's Garden owns the photos once they are posted and that's sufficient credit. Sort of like crediting Life Magazine as the source of a photo rather than the photographer. In a way, I guess, Dave's Garden was the source for the photo.

But the point is, anytime a photo is posted to the web the one posting needs to be aware that it may be used somewhere. It was purely accidental that I stumbled across the Russian commercial iris catalog. If I didn't have friends who have friends and interest in irises, I'd have never known. Finding if any of your photos have been used would be a tedious, never-ending task with likely unsatisfactory resolutions in the end. So before a photo is posted, you should consider whether it's going to be a crisis of some sort if it gets used somewhere without your permission. For myself, if I post a photo to the web, I don't care. Anything I wouldn't want used won't be posted on the web, that way I have complete control.
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skopjecollection
Jan 10, 2020 9:34 AM CST
Its not like I post anything sensitive.....just sometimes i post poor quality photos. To have them pop up on the web...its just vexing
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mcvansoest
Jan 10, 2020 9:51 AM CST
Then do not post those pictures, that is the simple and pretty much only solution to that - I am not advocating that, just pointing out that the solution to this is quite simple.

You should assume that anything you post on a website like this or any other message board type community website is in the public domain - that has to be how a website like this operates to draw reach potential users - threads and images need to show up in search engines. Whether or not you put a watermark or copyright on it is not going to stop people from using a photo or stop your images from showing up in a google search algorithm. Most people will respect the fact that you may not like them to use your images without asking permission, but even if just a fraction of the global population does not it still means that many thousands of people or more do not give a s&!t about copyright or whatever other things people use to try and stop this kind of use from happening. Unless you are willing to go after websites/people that use your images against your wishes they are not going to stop.

My wife makes jewelry in her spare time and sells it on Etsy, a few months ago some of her designs popped up in another Etsy store back by a large Chinese manufacturer selling pretty much the same design at a fraction of the price. Very little she can do about that, but then we saw they had even copied her description word for word. A website like Etsy or eBay or Amazon has rules against that in place so she send the other Etsy store a cease and desist message to take the text down, which they promptly did, but that is only because there was an option to escalate to Etsy management. If such an option does not exist the only way would be to go after them with lawyers very few people at the level of a small Etsy store have the time/energy/money to do that.

So while it can suck especially if someone is using your image for commercial purposes the reality is that unless you have copious spare time and cash sitting around it is hard to stop it from happening. Well, not hard, see the first line of my post, but if you want to keep posting images, it is hard to stop this from happening. Fortunately, most people still, will ask for permission.
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Name: Daisy I
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DaisyI
Jan 10, 2020 10:36 AM CST
This discussion started because the owner of the photos was not the poster to the DB and there is the difference - the ability to decide for oneself. In this instance, the OP did not mind but, that person who did susmit the photos to the DB owes the owner of the photos an apology and 3 acorns.

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Name: Stefan
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skopjecollection
Jan 10, 2020 10:39 AM CST
Gave them one. You lose credit anyway after 2 or 3 photos. They have been compensated. If were a bloom , maybe 2 or 3. Maybe.
Name: Baja
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Baja_Costero
Jan 10, 2020 10:49 AM CST

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This site does not require that people be asked or notified before associating their forum images with the database. I have asked Stefan to do this as a favor in the future and he has agreed. He did provide notice to the original poster in this thread when he made the move. I don't see any need for an apology (this is just my opinion of course) especially as the original poster did not have any problem with the association. Smiling
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Name: Daisy I
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DaisyI
Jan 10, 2020 10:56 AM CST
You're the boss. I will not mention this again because, apparently, it is my own personal problem. But for future, please don't post any of my photos.
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Name: Lin Vosbury
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plantladylin
Jan 10, 2020 1:32 PM CST
DaisyI said:You're the boss. I will not mention this again because, apparently, it is my own personal problem. But for future, please don't post any of my photos.


Daisy, If you don't ever want your forum pictures moved to the database, you should go to your profile page and select: Change your site preferences

Scroll down to: Allow your forum photos to be associated with plants in the database?

Select: No and don't forget to Save your changes.
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Name: Daisy I
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DaisyI
Jan 10, 2020 1:41 PM CST
Lin, I don't mind having my photos in the DB - I put them there myself (I just checked, 89 of my photos are in the DB). I object to someone else making that decision for me.
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and proclaiming...."WOW What a Ride!!" -Mark Frost

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Name: Baja
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Baja_Costero
Jan 10, 2020 1:45 PM CST

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To be clear, Lin's suggestion allows you to continue putting your photos in the DB while blocking others from associating them from the forums.
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