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Carantion, WA
sinohe
Jan 10, 2020 11:46 PM CST
In Zone 8b-(98014 Carnation, WA), south side of the house by a brick wall, we have a wooden trellis very close to the wall, underneath which I planted 1 climbing rose- It climbed up and bloomed very little bit but climbed about 2 yards after being planted.The rose did not have many leaves and very few rose blooms. leaves did not last long and became yellow very quickly. I did fertilize based on instructions and watered regularly and the plant is still alive but I am not sure how promising it is? before end of summer it only had 2 very very long branches and almost no leaf... It is difficult to tell what it will look like in the summer but I do not like to repeat any mistake again since in 2020 I want to plant more climbing roses in the same location. I would like to know what i have to change? Should i change the trellis to a metal one? should i use any fertilizer other than rose fertilizer ? Should i use a different soil?What type of climbing roses i can plant in this spot? What should i not do to get same issue.
Your guidance to a a novice gardener would be appreciated.


$$ rather than editing i posted it as a reply to all of you. Thx
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Name: Amanda
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pepper23
Jan 11, 2020 7:30 AM CST
Can you post a picture so we can see what you are dealing with? Makes it easier to help. Smiling
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Mustbnuts
Jan 11, 2020 7:48 AM CST
Can you tell us what variety of rose you planted and if it was grafted or on its own root? Climbing roses need to have their canes bent (gently, not with a crease in it) at an angle in order to produce lateral shoots off that cane. The flowers are then formed on those lateral canes.

If your rose is new (baby), it needs some time to develop and grow before it blooms. The saying goes, first year, they sleep, second year, they creep and third year they leap.

You are located in Carnation which is not too far from Seattle. Did you get a lot of rain last summer? How much sun does your rose get daily? How often did you water? Rose leaves can turn yellow from over watering. Do you know what type of soil you have? Does it drain well? What fertilizer did you use and how often?

I know these are lots of questions, but it will help us to help you figure out what is going on with your rose.


schrammd
Jan 11, 2020 10:06 AM CST
The yellow leaves might be a clue also. If the veins remained green while the rest of the leaves were yellow, it suggests an iron deficiency. Otherwise, yellow leaves (unless it's late autumn) suggest too little nitrogen. In both accounts, the yellowing of the leaf is called chlorosis. You might want to test your soil.
Carantion, WA
sinohe
Jan 11, 2020 11:27 AM CST
Thanks all for responding quickly, very very appreciated.
Photos:

1- I just took photos, it is rainy and not much light,2-you can see how new leaves come up but then they die. 3-there is no bloom at the moment but i tried to capture new leave growth, which is still going on, and is very frequent but doesn't last :(

Did you get a lot of rain last summer? Not too much, it was a warm summer/not too hot

How much sun does your rose get daily? We have about 153 days of sun/partially sun in a year in here, so now no direct sun since we are mostly cloudy & rainy, in summer tho it gets about 5 hours

How often did you water? in summer, it was warmer, so i watered early morning and every other day for 3 weeks, and every day for a week, twice a week for almost a month.

Do you know what type of soil you have? Unfortunately, i do not know

Does it drain well? yes it does

What fertilizer did you use and how often? I used Vigoro Rose food-12-6-10 and I followed instructions on the package- attached photo
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Name: Porkpal
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porkpal
Jan 11, 2020 11:53 AM CST
Your rose looks to me to be generally in good health; I don't know why the leaves don't last. It would do better if trained less vertically, however.
Porkpal
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vaporvac
Jan 11, 2020 3:39 PM CST
What is the rose variety? If its leaves are turning yellow from Blackspot, it could just be that that particular rose is susceptible. Do roses generally bloom this time of year for you? Did it look like this all summer? I'm guessing it may not get quite enough sun during the summer for that particular rose and also may not be getting quite enough air circulation.
Name: seil
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seilMI
Jan 11, 2020 3:53 PM CST
What color were the blooms? How many petals did they have? 5 or 6 or many petals? Did it just bloom once in the spring and then not again all season? Are the leaves getting black spots and then turning yellow and falling off? How much sun does that spot get per day? Not just daylight but full sun?

It looks to me like you have black spot, a fungal disease, and that may be why you have so few leaves. If the rose is diseased fertilizing won't help and may stress it further.

Stretching those canes straight up will give you the least amount of bloom. You want to encourage the branches to grow sideways to get the most flowering. Roses bloom on the terminal ends of canes. So going straight up it will only bloom at the top. By going horizontal you encourage side branches along the main cane called laterals and each of those laterals will then bloom.

Carantion, WA
sinohe
Jan 11, 2020 8:17 PM CST
attached photos are taken in June 1st. In about 2 weeks although weather did not change much almost all the leaves fell

What is the rose variety? I do not know but i have photo of this rose in bloom, you might be able to identify the variety.
Do roses generally bloom this time of year for you? I have seen them in bloom in this time of the year, but i do not have a rose that blooms this time of the year personally

Did it look like this all summer? Photos are taken June 1st, it shed all its leaves very quickly, within 2 weeks and turned into what you see now

I am not sure i am understanding air circulation, would you please elaborate?

What color were the blooms? Red, photo attached from June 1st

Did it just bloom once in the spring and then not again all season? Yes

Are the leaves getting black spots and then turning yellow and falling off? Not exactly, They get holes in the leaves and then turn yellow then fall off

How much sun does that spot get per day? Not just daylight but full sun? If there is Sun, then from 5/6 hours
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Mustbnuts
Jan 11, 2020 9:10 PM CST
It is winter now up there. Your roses won't bloom in the winter and because you had some snow/frost, the leaves may fall off due to the cold weather. Did you plant this rose or was it already there? It looks like it might be Dr. Huey. If it is, it would have been the root stock of another variety that died. Dr. Huey only blooms once during the spring and doesn't bloom again until the following year.
Carantion, WA
sinohe
Jan 11, 2020 10:38 PM CST
@ Mustbnuts: Is it normal for the rose to lose its leaves and blooms in 2 weeks and stay bare until next year? or it is only for first years?
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Mustbnuts
Jan 12, 2020 9:31 AM CST
No, I would not say it is normal for a rose to lose its leaves and blooms in 2 weeks and stay bare until the following year. I think your rose may be a once bloomer, however, losing its leaves is not part of that cycle. Something else was going on. Could be fungal issues, lack of some nutrient, or a dud plant, etc.
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porkpal
Jan 12, 2020 1:00 PM CST
For what it's worth, a couple of my Dr Huey roses behave a lot like that. They do get black spot quite reliably and lose leaves, however, they continue to bloom for about two months - leaves or no leaves.
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Name: seil
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seilMI
Jan 12, 2020 2:02 PM CST
You do have the root stock rose Dr. Huey. That means that what ever the grafted variety was it has died off and the root stock took over. You can keep it if you like it but, as said, it only blooms once in the spring and then is notorious for get spotty leaves that fall off. Mine is always nearly bare from July on.

Unless you are very attached to this rose my suggestion would be to do some research and find a beautiful climber that you love and dig this out and replace it with that. Look for something that is both healthy and hardy for your zone. You will get more bloom and less stress. Trying to keep the good Doctor clean and healthy is a pain!
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Mustbnuts
Jan 12, 2020 4:47 PM CST
There are several beautiful climbers that would work well in your place. Renae would be one of them. James Galway and the Wedgewood rose would be beautiful there. Both James Galway and Wedgewood are David Austin roses and you can see them on his website https://www.davidaustinroses.c....

Renae was bred for health, is thornless and is fragrant. It is a very pretty rose and is named after a little girl who passed away. I believe Burlington Nursery carries it. She doesn't have a great website but you can email Burling (the owner) from the website and she will respond back to you.

Northland Rosarium is not too far from you in Spokane. They have a beautiful garden center which might be worth the trip over the mountains. I am intrigued with Stormy Weather. Very pretty rose and it is a climber and fragrant. https://rosariumgardencenter.c...

Carantion, WA
sinohe
Jan 12, 2020 4:52 PM CST
@Mustbnuts: Thanks for recommendation on roses, that is great. I will plan a visit to the mentioned nurseries before mid Feb. i did not know davidasutin has climber roses. Smiling stay warm & safe.
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hampartsum
Jan 12, 2020 7:13 PM CST
@sinohe, some of the Austins that are sold as shrubs do grow quite tall reaching easily 9 ft in height. I bought William Morris and it now has grown at least 10 ft. This season it was covered in blooms; another that can grow tall is Gertrude Jekyll, so Graham Thomas. Othello is a much larger climber with beautiful dark purple blooms. One thing in common of these, is that they never go truly dormant and keep their foliage even during your winters ( that if I understand correctly is quite mild)
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Carantion, WA
sinohe
Jan 12, 2020 7:39 PM CST
@hampartsum : Thank You! i was just checking the ones you mentioned. Thanks for recommendation
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MargieNY
Jan 12, 2020 10:15 PM CST
sinohe said:In Zone 8b-(98014 Carnation, WA), south side of the house by a brick wall, we have a wooden trellis very close to the wall, underneath which I planted 1 climbing rose- It climbed up and bloomed very little bit but climbed about 2 yards after being planted.The rose did not have many leaves and very few rose blooms. leaves did not last long and became yellow very quickly. I did fertilize based on instructions and watered regularly and the plant is still alive but I am not sure how promising it is? before end of summer it only had 2 very very long branches and almost no leaf... It is difficult to tell what it will look like in the summer but I do not like to repeat any mistake again since in 2020 I want to plant more climbing roses in the same location.


From your photos I see black spot and I see holes in the leaves caused by most likely some kind of insect. The first thing that jumped off the page in reading your post was your first sentence. "we have a wooden trellis very close to the wall, underneath which I planted 1 climbing rose". And you stated:" It climbed up and bloomed very little bit but climbed about 2 yards after being planted.The rose did not have many leaves and very few rose blooms.".
The second thing that made me suspicious that perhaps there was another factor contributing to your problem was the statement by Porkpal. "For what it's worth, a couple of my Dr Huey roses behave a lot like that. They do get black spot quite reliably and lose leaves, however, they continue to bloom for about two months - leaves or no leaves." Porkpal's Dr. Huey bloomed for about 2 months and yours a "very little bit". You have a rose "very close" to brick, mortar and a cement foundation. It is possible that lime from the mortar and the cement are leaching into your soil throwing off the pH of your soil causing it to be alkaline = yellow leaves etc. So my "suggestion" is to take several pH readings of the entire area where you planning to plant more climbing roses against this wall. I think it's worth it to test to rule out a possible pH problem before going forward. We all want you to be successful.
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Carantion, WA
sinohe
Jan 12, 2020 10:20 PM CST
@margieNy: i will definetly, follow your suggestion. It makes complete sense to check before planting a new rose there .Thanks so much. I appreciate it. Thank You!

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