Roses forum: Simplicity Hedge Rose or Floribunda?

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NYC suburbs (Zone 7a)
Chrysanthe
Jan 14, 2020 10:34 AM CST
Hi all, I'm a fairly novice gardener trying to pick a rose as a foundation planting. Currently trying to decide between the Simplicity hedge rose (yellow or red) or a couple of different floribundas—frontrunners are Walking on Sunshine and Black Cherry. Can anyone advise on the differences—which will be the lowest maintenance, give the most and longest-lasting blooms, be the hardiest and most disease-resistant? I think I prefer the look of the floribunda blooms, but would go with a hedge rose if they would perform better for the purpose. Thanks in advance!
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porkpal
Jan 14, 2020 11:00 AM CST
If you can give the location; zone, state etc, in which you plan to grow the roses, our members will have an easier job advising you. And welcome to the forum!
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Name: seil
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seilMI
Jan 14, 2020 5:23 PM CST
As Porkpal said, knowing the location is critical in suggesting roses. Some varieties do very well in one place and not so well in others. We don't want to recommend a rose that will not do well in your area.

There are several roses with the name Simplicity. Do you mean the red hedge rose? That shrub rush also comes in several other colors. There is also a pink and a lavender floribunda as well as a white hybrid tea rose all named Simplicity.

Shrub roses as a rule tend to be bushier with a lot of small twiggy growth. They bloom a large flush in the spring and then a few blooms all over the rest of the season. Floribundas tend to be less full and bushy. They bloom in flushes with a break in between each flush of anywhere from 4 to 8 weeks depending on the variety. It depends on what affect you're looking for.

What direction does this foundation face? How much sun does it get? Is there a large overhang that would block rainfall? How wide is the bed? What is the soil like? How tall do you want them? As you can see there is a lot of information needed to give you the best rose with the best chance of success. Pictures of the area in question would be helpful.
NYC suburbs (Zone 7a)
Chrysanthe
Jan 15, 2020 6:57 AM CST
Thank you both! I'm in zone 7a, the suburbs north of NYC. Exposure is roughly WNW, I would say it's full sun after about 1pm in the summer—the house is only 1 story in this spot and it's a gable side, so no overhang. It is pretty narrow, maybe 3-4 ft wide. The house is on a hill, so after that strip there is a small retaining wall and it drops down (covering that hill has been its own project, but I've had great success with agastache and I'm going to try some Russian sage this year). I will try to snap a picture later today.

If roses don't work, my backup plan is azalea, as we already have several and I know they grow well here. But I love roses, and I was really hoping to find something that would provide color all summer.
NYC suburbs (Zone 7a)
Chrysanthe
Jan 15, 2020 7:00 AM CST
The site won't let me post links, but you can see the roses I'm considering on the Jackson & Perkins site. The names are Double Red Simplicity Hedge Rose, Yellow Simplicity Hedge Rose, Black Cherry Floribunda Rose and Walking on Sunshine Floribunda Rose.
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Mustbnuts
Jan 15, 2020 9:29 AM CST
One of the master gardeners where I live was talking to me about her Black Cherry rose this past week! She loves her rose and it has done well for her. Now, that being said, I have VERY different climatic conditions that what you have, but people in zone 7 on Help Me Find Roses, have said that this rose has done well for them. I think that this rose would do well for you.

The only caution I have is ordering it from J and P. I have not had good success with their mail order for the past couple of orders I made a few years ago and won't order from them again. I go NO response from them regarding the half dead plant that they sent me. Too bad, as they used to be good. If you do order roses from them, say lots of prayers and keep your fingers and toes crossed that your plants arrive in good shape.
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SoCalGardenNut
Jan 15, 2020 12:52 PM CST
Most of my roses from J&P don't grow very well, some still haven't grown much since I bought them. Never again from them.
In fact, they are all candidates to be shoved next year.
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vaporvac
Jan 15, 2020 12:57 PM CST
Could you possibly post a picture? The rose that has done best for me in such a position has been Pink Pet. Another to consider is Chuckles, but it can BS for me. With different BS pressure it may be worth a try.
Name: seil
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seilMI
Jan 15, 2020 3:31 PM CST
In zone 7 you shouldn't have to worry too much about hardiness. Most all roses will winter in that zone. There are a few exceptions but most will be OK.

WNW means you should get ample sun for roses. They need at least 6, and preferably 8, hours of direct sun to bloom well. Otherwise they may grow but not bloom much.

No deep overhang means rain water will get to them which will help with watering. Roses need a good one inch of water per week. I have a spot where there is a recess in the wall so the overhang is very wide. That bed gets no rain and I've yet to find ANYTHING that will grow well there even though I water it like mad, lol.

3 to 4 feet wide should be fine for depth. With the slope it should give you good drainage depending on your soil.

Do some deep research about Russian sage. I understand it can be very invasive.

Also do some more research on Simplicity roses. You are in a black spot zone and my understanding is that Simplicity is very BS prone. I know there are several rose societies in the NYC area. I would recommend that you contact one near you and get advice on what does well locally. They will be very happy to help you. You can locate one near you by going to the American Rose Society web site, ARS.org. They have a page that lists all the societies by state.

J&P use to be the standard for mail order roses. However, they've been bought and sold a few times now and their quality has suffered greatly. I think you can find better sources for your roses. One I'd recommend highly would be Palatine because they are in Niagara, Ontario, fairly close to you, and grow roses that do well in the NE.

Two roses that I personally love are Julia Child, a yellow floribunda, and Home Run, a red shrub rose. They have both been very hardy, very healthy, and bloom a ton for me!

There is a data base here you can search for information and there is a great rose data base at Help Me Find (dot) com (backslash) roses. I just Google helpmefindroses and it usually comes right up. You can see pictures of the roses and learn more about them and see where they've been successfully grown and also find nurseries you can buy them at.

Home Run
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Julia Child
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NYC suburbs (Zone 7a)
Chrysanthe
Jan 15, 2020 7:44 PM CST
Thank you all! Good to know about J&P. I did plant a couple of Mardi Gras floribundas from them last year, and they grew pretty well (and have put out some buds now, we've been having some insanely warm weather), but another grandiflora I planted in a different spot died—that was probably my fault, though, as it was too late in the season (but I got in on clearance for $5, so I figured not much harm trying). I'll check out Palatine, thanks for the recommendation.

I actually saw a Julia Child rose recently at the New York Botanical Gardens—it was still blooming in November! So you're right, that one is probably a good option.

I will do some reading on Russian Sage. If it's just a matter of aggressive spreading it's probably ok, as the area is pretty contained by retaining walls and bedrock, and I want something that will fill in well. If the seeds will be spread by birds and cause ecological problems that's different and I will avoid. I've seen it elsewhere in the neighborhood and it seems to grow well.

Photo of the area below.

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Name: Amanda
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pepper23
Jan 15, 2020 7:47 PM CST
Try catmint in place of russian sage. Nepeta. I have this growing in several places and I don't do anything to it. It grows in tough soil that came from our road (gravel) and in decent soil both.
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KenNEGA
Jan 15, 2020 7:48 PM CST
I'm with SEIL on this one. Depending on your color choice, either Home Run or Julia Child should grow great in you area. Home Run is far better then any Knock Out's and Julia Childs is probably one of, if not the finest yellow rose ever to hit the American market. I'm not a big yellow fan but I have 2 Julia Childs. She is a great rose.
It's a rose!!! It has nothing to do with life and death.
Name: Ken Wilkinson
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KenNEGA
Jan 15, 2020 8:10 PM CST
I just checked Palatine's web site. They don't carry Julia Childs. I got mine from Edmunds Rose Nursery. They have a good web page.
It's a rose!!! It has nothing to do with life and death.

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