Roses forum: Tantau roses

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Name: Carol
Alberta, Canada (Zone 3b)
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Canadian_Rose
Jan 17, 2020 1:52 AM CST
So I looked through the catalogue that Tantau sent me (oh how delicious!!!) and I have a nice list of roses that I'd love to get if the chance arises. So I emailed Rachel at Palatine and said if she's ever getting more Tantau roses maybe she would consider getting these:

rose names that have been around for awhile have been supplanted with newer versions

Admiral - smells of pears.
Aquarell (sport of Augusta Luise
Capri
Eisrogel (my favorite)
Schone Maid
Soul (100% resistance to fungal and fabulous against BS)
Sophie Luise
Wildberry
Enchantress
Kaffe Fassett Rose - smells of lime
Acapella - smells of bananas
Cherry Brandy
Comtessa
Desiree
Goethe Rose - intoxicating, heavy scent
Hot Lady
Deep Secret
Pacific Blue
Tropicana

I really hope she gets some. Which roses would you love to get from this list? And if you have any of them...what do you think of them? Lovey dubby
Name: Zuzu
Northern California (Zone 9a)
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zuzu
Jan 17, 2020 2:52 AM CST

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When I moved into my present home 35 years ago and started carving a garden out of the thickets of blackberries and dense forest of unwanted trees and shrubs, my neighbors generously shared plants with me. One of my neighbors had three 'Tropicana' bushes and was happy to give them to me because she hated the color. Big Grin I still have all three and they must be 50+ years old by now because they were already showing some age when she gave them to me. So, if nothing else, I can tell you it is a long-lived rose.

There are two Tantau roses named 'Acapella.' I have the 1994 one that uses 'Charlies Rose' as its exhibition name. It's quite pretty -- pink with a silver reverse.

There are three Tantau roses named 'Cherry Brandy.' I used to have one of them.
Name: Porkpal
Richmond, TX
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porkpal
Jan 17, 2020 7:36 AM CST
Tropicana is the only rose from your list that I have ever had, and I still have it 20+ years later. I think it is the only grafted rose that has survived in my "care". Definitely a tough one!
Porkpal
Name: Rosemary
Sacramento, CA (Zone 9b)
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reh0622
Jan 17, 2020 10:07 AM CST
I had a Tropicana tree rose once until it died---maybe 15 yrs. old? Very nice fragrance.

Some one needs to come up with a rose that is immune to canker and crown gall.
Name: Carol
Alberta, Canada (Zone 3b)
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Canadian_Rose
Jan 17, 2020 1:54 PM CST
Tropicana in Tantau's 2019/2020 catalogue is from 2018...so it's a much newer rose.

https://www.rosen-tantau.com/e...

They have an on-line catalogue that you can drool over!!!

Zuzu - that's the Acapella I had...smelled like banana candies!!! Delicious...didn't do well for me though and finally died.

Name: Porkpal
Richmond, TX
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porkpal
Jan 17, 2020 5:44 PM CST
Oh, right! Definitely a different rose. Too bad; the old Tropicana was a trooper.
Porkpal
Name: Carol
Alberta, Canada (Zone 3b)
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Canadian_Rose
Jan 17, 2020 8:10 PM CST
Porkpal - I've never grown the older Tropicana. I sure wish the rose namers wouldn't keep using the same names. There's got to be a bit more imaginative namers?? D'Oh!
Name: Porkpal
Richmond, TX
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porkpal
Jan 17, 2020 9:30 PM CST
I don't know who developed the previous rose named Tropicana, but Zuzu might know. I also wonder whether trade marked roses have their names protected.
Porkpal
Name: Rosemary
Sacramento, CA (Zone 9b)
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reh0622
Jan 17, 2020 9:46 PM CST
Porkpal, Tantau is the producer of the original Tropicana was the syn. for Super Star, and introduced in 1960. I wouldn't be surprised if the new one is different, though, because the one I bought last year wasn't as fragrant and was slightly paler than my Tropicana tree rose, and another Tropicana bush I have that was given to me in 2002.
Name: Zuzu
Northern California (Zone 9a)
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zuzu
Jan 17, 2020 10:07 PM CST

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As Rosemary says, both Tropicanas are Tantau roses. The 1960 one that's commonly called Tropicana in the United States and Canada is called Super Star in Australia and Western Europe.

Roses can't be trademarked. Only their names can be trademarked, but that trademark might apply only in one country, so a rose can have several trademarked names -- one in the United States, another in Germany, another in South Africa, etc.
Name: Carol
Alberta, Canada (Zone 3b)
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Canadian_Rose
Jan 18, 2020 2:02 AM CST
Interesting!
Name: Arturo Tarak
Bariloche, Rio Negro, Argentin (Zone 8a)
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hampartsum
Jan 18, 2020 6:28 AM CST
I just compared the two Tropicanas at HMF. The new one is pale apricot with full quartered old fashioned blooms! Very different! I grow here the 1960 T sold to me a 'Super Star'. I also grow the Climbing T which is in bloom right now, with its peak first flush a bit later than the bush one.

The other listed Tantau that is growing here is 'Cherry Brandy'....very fragrant the 1965 one bright orange! HMF however mentions two more CB all from Tantau, a 1984 copper-orange and a 2001 peach yellow this last one a florists rose. So I assume that CB listed is possibly the 2001 one.

I've got four more but not listed above: two yellows Sunblest and Miss Harp , a lilac Blue Moon, a yellow/orange blend 'Whisky/Whisky Mac'. I could lay my hands over 4/5 more here including a miniature 'Baby Masquerade' but time to time.

Unfortunately Tantau doesn't have a rep here...so I avoided looking into their catalog. The frustration can become painful ,so why? Smiling
I ought to better concentrate on my own bred crosses then...my rose seeds are awaiting in the fridge! Shrug!

Arturo
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Name: Carol
Alberta, Canada (Zone 3b)
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Canadian_Rose
Jan 18, 2020 12:04 PM CST
Arturo - That's how I feel most of the time. Kind of frustrated that none of the U.S. rose sites (except Rogue Valley which sends bands...which didn't do well for me...all died. Same with my friend...alll of hers died) will send roses here. Thank God for Palatine. Rose seeds!!! Oooh!! Do you know the crosses ... or are they OP? I really like the look of the new Tropicana. But...again..why would the same rose house use the same name over and over again????
Name: Arturo Tarak
Bariloche, Rio Negro, Argentin (Zone 8a)
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hampartsum
Jan 18, 2020 2:26 PM CST
Carol, I'm just only starting my own rose project so I've got about 100 hips of different OP roses to sow: I always know the seed parent...I guess that when my rose collection is more or less settled, organized and my spring flush routine less chaotic I might try out deliberate crosses! btw, if you check a random assortment of roses in HMF, you'll find a huge proportion of lineages that say: pollen parent unknown! Perhaps by spring of 2020 or even later I'll get to deliberate crosses....( I can't keep postponing for ever though... D'Oh! 7 decades are already under my belt)
Arturo
Name: Carol
Alberta, Canada (Zone 3b)
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Canadian_Rose
Jan 19, 2020 2:00 AM CST
Arturo - I only have one rose that I've "created." It's an OP from John Davis. I can't seem to get my hybrid tea roses to ripen the hips enough with my short season. But...my hardy one has no problem. I can't wait to see the crosses you create. Please start soon!!!

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