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Mariedorer
Jan 21, 2020 2:04 PM CST
I'm looking for suggestions/advice. I'm going to a nursery this weekend and think I have my choices narrowed down to these:
Prince of Orange
Imperial Red
Black Cardinal
McColley's Finale

I have a spot opened for it about 3 ft back from a west window, so it's a bright spot, does get a few afternoon rays at times.

I'm curious if there are any preferences to any of these plants, is one harder/easier to grow? Any of them proned to lose coloring?

I'm really having a hard time deciding and am looking for all suggestions! Thanks!
Name: Kay
Houston, TX (Zone 9b)
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kathyoven
Jan 21, 2020 2:23 PM CST
if you want something fun, i suggest prince of orange. that bright orange leaf is such a pop and such a treat to see.
Ohio
Mariedorer
Jan 21, 2020 2:27 PM CST
It looks beautiful in pictures, I've never seen any of them in person. Cant wait to get something more exotic! Thanks for the imput!
Name: Adrienne
Ohio (Zone 6b)
Adriennevs
Jan 21, 2020 7:58 PM CST
I have all of those indoors and I find their care to be relatively similar and all generally all are joys to see every day. I agree with Kay about the gorgeous colors on PoO. It was the first of those four plants that I got because it is so striking.

My black cardinal happens to be about 3 feet back from a west window and it's pleased with it's situation. Imperial red is in my brightest room with south and East windows and is also pleased. PoO went into rehab in my basement grow lights because mine is just a weird plant and Mccolley's later joined it under the lights simply because I like the way they look together.

Just my personal experience, my prince of orange and Mccolley's like to be snug and undisturbed in their pots more so than many of my other philos. I generally repot everything I buy after an acclimation period, but these self heading varieties are the only two plants who have given me any fuss. Not so much the Mccolley's, but the PoO, well I've said it on here many times before, I think I got a lemon. If I get a chance tomorrow I'll post the ridiculous leaf my PoO is attempting to push out. It looks like a shredded leaf mixed with a T-Rex claw or something Hilarious!

You wouldn't go wrong with any of those plants, IMO. They're all delightful.
Ohio
Mariedorer
Jan 22, 2020 6:47 AM CST
Hey Adrienne! I think I'm definitely getting a prince of orange for the area I'm looking to fill. Quite beautiful looking! Thanks for all the info on these. What do you think as far as red imperial and McColley's finale? From the pictures, I think they look alike. Do they seem that way in person as well?

I might end up buying a starter plant of one or two or all of the others! Just have to see what tickles my fancy when I get out there! Smiling
Name: Adrienne
Ohio (Zone 6b)
Adriennevs
Jan 22, 2020 7:24 AM CST
My Mccolley's has the same shape and general proportions as the PoO. Looks similar afar and up close except it has more reds than oranges. As Gina has told me, these are both plants that were hybridized by someone actually named Mccolley.
I tend to find my Mccolley more agreeable than my PoO, but this is probably some weird personal anomaly thing for me as I've heard many people discuss the ease of PoO.
Imperial red in my home takes on a much more slender leaf shape and, it could be due to my lighting, but the colors are more subtle tones. My Mccolley's and imperial red do not look alike at all in person.
I have a small black cardinal and just personally, if I was out shopping and I stumbled upon a large one, I'd snatch it up. I just love the deep darkness of the foliage.
I see you're in Ohio too. Let me know if you found a good spot! It's a big state, I know. I just like to know where the good spots are. I've been meaning to make a trip to hirts but haven't gotten to it yet.
ETA: these plants all have big personality IMO and I think when you see them in person you'll know exactly which one strikes you. ...Or it'll be all of them. That's what happens to me.
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Ohio
Mariedorer
Jan 22, 2020 7:58 AM CST
That's what happens to me too! Lol

I actually am going to Hirts! It's about an hour from me and I've never made the trip so I'm really looking forward to it!

Think I have my list to just two or three of the self heading philodendrons. I love the look of them. I'm glad to hear they do well inside in Ohio!

The black cardinal looks beautiful! A big one would be stunning! Cant wait to see them all in person!
Name: Kay
Houston, TX (Zone 9b)
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kathyoven
Jan 22, 2020 9:12 AM CST
i agree @adriennevs! a lot of times i end up taking home plants just because they speak to me when i see them in person!
Name: Adrienne
Ohio (Zone 6b)
Adriennevs
Jan 22, 2020 11:27 AM CST
Me too, Kay! Me too!
Mariedorer, I would LOVE to hear the full story of what it's like at hirts. I've been putting it off. I think it's an hour and a half-ish for me, maybe a little more. I usually end up going to Ann Arbor or Detroit because they're only 40 min and I have my favorites there.
I also want to try Graf's and Pettitis which are supposed to be somewhat close to hirts. I haven't researched them much yet.
Ohio
Mariedorer
Jan 22, 2020 11:40 AM CST
I'll have too look up Graf's and Pettitis! I'm still quite new to the area and it sounds like I'm on the opposite side of Ohio than you are.
I have found one very small nursery at an apple orchard in Pittsburgh that is the cutest but they did not have any self heading philodendrons last summer (at least not when I was there).

I need something that grows more up and out. Cant wait to see what all they have in person! I will fill you in for sure!


Name: Adrienne
Ohio (Zone 6b)
Adriennevs
Jan 22, 2020 1:42 PM CST
Thank you! I have been so eager to hear what it's like there! Here are a few photos of mine:

Little black cardinal
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This is the west window where it lives
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The bizarre leaf my PoO is trying to put out. Looks like one leaf shot through maybe two others trying to push out at the same time?
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Mccolley's finale.

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Mccolley's and PoO together under grow lights.
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Name: Adrienne
Ohio (Zone 6b)
Adriennevs
Jan 22, 2020 1:43 PM CST
Oh! I forgot imperial red.


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Ohio
Mariedorer
Jan 22, 2020 2:38 PM CST
Quite a beautiful collection! The black cardinal looks perfect! The McColley's Finally is spectacular!

I am thinking I cant go wrong with any of them!

Can I ask how large the McColley's finale was when you purchased it? I'm wondering how quickly it would grow. I do have an empty SW corner. I've always been afraid a plant wouldn't grow well there because it is about 5-6 ft away from a window and door. I'm thinking I could put a grow lamp above it if I had to.

Do you feel like a black cardinal is a better low light plant since it has the darker leaves?

I wasn't planning on buying anything for that corner but ya know...? If I happen to spot something Whistling
Ohio
Mariedorer
Jan 22, 2020 2:40 PM CST
Oh and I love that plant cart! I'm getting more ideas by the minute! Lol
Name: Adrienne
Ohio (Zone 6b)
Adriennevs
Jan 22, 2020 2:59 PM CST
The Mccolley's finale for me has spread out rather than up. When it gets a new leaf it's usually fairly upright and then it settles down. I don't think I've ever actually truly lost a leaf from it, they have aged well for me. I did cut one off because I dropped a book on it accidentally when it was in its old location D'Oh! oops!
Anyway, it grows bushier for me and I'd say it's medium as far as how fast it grows. It's put out maybe 4-5 leaves since the spring?

I only have maybe 3-4 philos that i put in truly low light. The black cardinal and his Friends in that area actually have a grow light. Both the grow lamp and the cart you mentioned are from ikea. Maybe $50-60 total. Not 100% sure because the cart actually came with my husband Rolling on the floor laughing but ikea still sells it in all sorts of colors. The lamp currently points down to the plants below but it can be adjusted to be pointing upward or anywhere in between.
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I've never really tried the black cardinal in lower light. I bought it small along with a little Phil and a heart leaf and a mini cylindrical snake plant (also from ikea) because I wanted some little but colorful plants to fill in that shelf, and I'd call that a medium light area.
Ohio
Mariedorer
Jan 22, 2020 5:23 PM CST
A great card with an included husband! What a bargain! LOL

Thanks for all of the great info! My initial spot will be great for maybe 2 4in or one 6in plant. I wasn't sure how quickly these would grow.

I received two small heartleafs in two different arrangements from a funeral last spring and they're starting to take over my shelving! Think its time to put them into a hanging basket. I also have a small brasil and then received a second one as a gift this fall. Going to combine them. They may stay on the shelf.

Watch me get there and fall in love with a different plant all together D'Oh!

I will make sure to let you know what I find!

Name: Gina
Florida (Zone 9a)
Tropical plant collector 35 years
Region: Florida Tropicals Aroids
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Gina1960
Jan 22, 2020 8:19 PM CST
My personal fave is Prince of Orange (of those 4). I have McColley's Finale as well, I got it for $3 on the Lowes dead rack last season. There was ***absolutely***NOTHING wrong with it. Huge nice plant in 3 gallon...$3. Go figure.

I don't grow Black Cardinal because I really want it to be BLACK and its not. I have one called Zulu Prince (which I believe is just a name someone gave it years ago and they had no idea what it really was) which actually does look black, so I am satisfied with it.

My Prince of Orange really can put on a show though. Its a true bright spot.
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Name: Adrienne
Ohio (Zone 6b)
Adriennevs
Jan 22, 2020 8:31 PM CST
It's beautiful! Lovey dubby
Name: Gina
Florida (Zone 9a)
Tropical plant collector 35 years
Region: Florida Tropicals Aroids
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Gina1960
Jan 22, 2020 8:33 PM CST
Sometimes it has several orange leaves at once all in various stages of turning. McColley's Finale does that too. There will be all different colors of red.
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Name: Adrienne
Ohio (Zone 6b)
Adriennevs
Jan 22, 2020 9:00 PM CST
Mine aren't putting out much of anything this winter. McColley has one leaf coming through and then there's the mutant leaf, but other than that it's a lot of green.

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