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Jan 25, 2020 7:13 PM CST
Name: Roger & Karen
Birmingham, Al (Zone 7b)
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Is there a list of diploids that have been converted to tets? Why I was wondering saw a cross that had both a dip and a tet in parentage. I thought you could cross dips with dips and tets with tets.
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Jan 25, 2020 8:29 PM CST
Name: Mike
Hazel Crest, IL (Zone 5b)
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Reverted conversion ?
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Jan 25, 2020 8:51 PM CST
Name: James
California (Zone 8b)
Sometimes the parentage provided to the registrar isn't precise, and a tet conversion will be listed by its normal diploid name with no "tet" modifier.

What's the cultivar in question?

Edited to add; It would be tough to compile a list of every converted diploid, as many of them aren't known to the general public, at least until they're recorded as a parent.
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Jan 25, 2020 8:55 PM CST
Name: Roger & Karen
Birmingham, Al (Zone 7b)
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Forestlake Ragamuffin
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Jan 25, 2020 9:04 PM CST
Name: James
California (Zone 8b)
I guess I don't understand the question, Forestlake Ragamuffin is registered as a tetraploid, and so are the plants in its parentage.
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Jan 25, 2020 9:13 PM CST
Name: Maurice
Grey County, Ontario (Zone 4b)
There is this from the registration database?

Peach Champagne (McKemie-Perkins, 2014)
height 24 in.(61 cm), bloom 6 in.(15 cm), season M, Rebloom, Evergreen, Diploid, 8 buds, 2 branches, Peachy pink blend with a yellow ruffled edge and yellow eye, first bloom is single petaled with later blooms becoming poly petaled, some blooms have extra ruffling around the throat, medium sized fans. (Forestlake Ragamuffin × Puffer Fish)

Puffer Fish (Gossard, 2006)
height 26 in.(66 cm), bloom 5 in.(13 cm), season MLa, Rebloom, Dormant, Tetraploid, 32 buds, 5 branches, Rose pink with lighter orange watermark and tooth edge above orange throat. (Enchanted April × Forestlake Ragamuffin)

Error.
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Jan 25, 2020 9:17 PM CST
Name: Maurice
Grey County, Ontario (Zone 4b)
You can pollinate a tetraploid with pollen from a diploid and you can pollinate a diploid with pollen from a tetraploid. In many cases the pollination appears to work, at least to begin with, and a pod is set. Usually the pod is aborted in seven to ten days. Sometimes it is aborted much later.
Very rarely the pod may not be aborted and good seed may be produced, although most such seeds probably do not germinate one may occasionally get a seedling. It would most likely be a triploid.

However, in many cases the pod and any viable seeds from such crosses are likely to be from natural insect pollinations (contamination). Therefore if the pod parent is a diploid any viable seeds from an apparent diploid x tetraploid pollination are could be diploids and if the pod parent is a tetraploid any viable seeds from an apparent tetraploid x diploid pollination are could be tetraploids.
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Jan 25, 2020 9:34 PM CST
Name: James
California (Zone 8b)
admmad said:There is this from the registration database?

Peach Champagne (McKemie-Perkins, 2014)
height 24 in.(61 cm), bloom 6 in.(15 cm), season M, Rebloom, Evergreen, Diploid, 8 buds, 2 branches, Peachy pink blend with a yellow ruffled edge and yellow eye, first bloom is single petaled with later blooms becoming poly petaled, some blooms have extra ruffling around the throat, medium sized fans. (Forestlake Ragamuffin × Puffer Fish)

Puffer Fish (Gossard, 2006)
height 26 in.(66 cm), bloom 5 in.(13 cm), season MLa, Rebloom, Dormant, Tetraploid, 32 buds, 5 branches, Rose pink with lighter orange watermark and tooth edge above orange throat. (Enchanted April × Forestlake Ragamuffin)

Error.


The AHS database is chock full of these, and of course, they're ported over to this database. Fortunately, here they can be corrected. I've reported a couple of similar errors within the past few weeks. It's like an acorn farm. Smiling

I thought the original question was referring to a different circumstance.
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Jan 25, 2020 9:38 PM CST
Name: Maurice
Grey County, Ontario (Zone 4b)
@JamesT - 'Peach Champagne' may not be the error? @Diggerofdirt

Here is another error:

Soldier of Love (Bushong, 2010)
height 28 in.(71 cm), bloom 6 in.(15 cm), season M, Dormant, Tetraploid, 15 buds, 3 branches, Dark wine purple bitone with yellow teeth above yellow throat. ((Spacecoast Starburst × Heavenly Beginnings) × (Forestlake Ragamuffin × Spindazzle))

Missing tet in front of Spindazzle.
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Jan 25, 2020 11:11 PM CST
Name: Ken
East S.F. Bay Area (Zone 9a)
Region: California
That type of omission is very common. Either people just forget when they register cultivars, or they don't think it's important. Maybe it isn't, if you think about it.
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Jan 26, 2020 6:31 AM CST
Name: Roger & Karen
Birmingham, Al (Zone 7b)
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Thank you all very much. Now i am still wondering if there is a list of cultivars that has been changed.
Ie Rose F. Kennedy dip
*Rose F. Kennedy
Lav Blue Baby dip
* Lav Blue Baby
Emerald Starburst dip
* Emerald Starburst
Thank You!
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Jan 26, 2020 8:20 AM CST
Name: Maurice
Grey County, Ontario (Zone 4b)
Diggerofdirt said:Now i am still wondering if there is a list of cultivars that has been changed.

Sorry, I do not think that there is a list of cultivars that have been converted to tetraploid.

If you go to the registration database at https://www.daylilies.org/Dayl...
near the bottom of the screen there is a field labelled Parentage. If you type the word tet in that field and press the enter key the search will return 3,450 daylilies found.
Most of those daylilies will have a parent that is converted and designated as tet followed by the cultivar name.
You can create your own list of all the converted named daylilies that have been successfully used in crosses and produced at least one identified registered daylily.
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Jan 26, 2020 8:28 AM CST
Name: Larry
Enterprise, Al. 36330 (Zone 8b)
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I think because a lot of people are experimenting with the conversions a full list would be very difficult to develop.
http://www.ahsregion4.org/docu...
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Jan 26, 2020 8:42 AM CST
Name: Dave
Wood Co TX & Huron Co MI
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Larry Grace sells conversions. You might check his site [Graceland Gardens] and look at the various pages for those marketed to the public in the last few years.
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Jan 26, 2020 9:59 AM CST
Name: pam
gainesville fl (Zone 8b)
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Only one I have is tet My cup overflows. I have dip and tet. Biggest flower Ive ever seen. If you just type in my cup overflows, it only brings up dips tho.
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Jan 26, 2020 10:32 AM CST
Name: Mike
Hazel Crest, IL (Zone 5b)
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Pam a few of her registered sixteen offspring are from her tet side. I only have the dip. Slow to increase here in two different locations. Pod difficult.
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Jan 26, 2020 10:37 AM CST
Name: pam
gainesville fl (Zone 8b)
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I cant get the tet to grow worth a hoot. Dip does well but doesnt like the mid summer heat.
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Jan 26, 2020 10:39 AM CST
Name: Dave
Wood Co TX & Huron Co MI
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I bought Tet 'Rainbow Radiance' last year after bloom season [first time I can remember seeing it] so now have both dip & tet. Love the polychrome. We'll see how the Tet does this year. Also have Tet 'Purple Eyed Magic' and Tet 'Cosmic Kaleidoscope' is coming soon.
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Jan 26, 2020 10:54 AM CST
Name: Mike
Hazel Crest, IL (Zone 5b)
"Have no patience for bare ground"
I got Tet Peppermint Delight from Mark last spring. Dave I have the dip Cosmic Kaleidoscope and love it.
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Jan 26, 2020 12:16 PM CST
Name: Maurice
Grey County, Ontario (Zone 4b)
The information I have is that tet conversions can revert to diploid over time. That depends on whether the original tet conversion was complete. Again my understanding is that conversions are often not complete.
Therefore the advice to potential buyers of conversions is to request information from the seller about when the ploidy of the conversion was last checked by a microscopic chromosome count.

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