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Jun 15, 2010 10:33 PM CST
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Name: aka GardenQuilts
Pocono Mountains, PA
I received a dozen roses of this florist rose once. They were beautiful, pink roses which began as perfect buds. . I am concerned because most reviews rate it zone 7+. I am in zone 6, but usually plan for zone 5.....I also don't have room for more roses.... I think I need serious psychiatric help...which is considerably more expensive than a few new roses. It is a sport of Silva, also rated zone 7+, which is related to Peace and Confidence (another zone 7+). Its hardiest ancestor is Peace, which I have killed 3 times - bargain grafted versions, one disappeared, 2 died at the graft.

Here is a link, isn't it pretty?

For now it is on my growing RU wishlist...
Jun 16, 2010 3:36 AM CST
Name: Zuzu
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This is a beautiful rose that's a little easier to grow than most of the florists roses. It is nevertheless more finicky than the average hybrid tea. I'd be wary of growing it in zone 6 because it doesn't even do that well in zone 9 without extra care. Luckily, it's usually available at very low prices as a body-bag rose at Home Depot and Lowe's. At those prices, you can plan to grow it as an annual and then be pleasantly surprised if it returns the next year.
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Jun 16, 2010 6:08 AM CST
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Name: aka GardenQuilts
Pocono Mountains, PA
That is a good idea. I haven't seen it as a body bag, but I will have to keep looking. Incentive to perfect my rooting skills!

I think I will wait for this one and be happy with my beautiful Tiffany blooms!

Adventurous rosarians sale shopping at RU may be interested to know that a sport of YSL, White Majesty, is also on special. That one is said to be a very pale pink rose with the same form and fragrance.

If it doesn't do well in your garden without extra care, lets not even think of how it will do in mine until I have another cup of coffee....
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Jun 16, 2010 7:43 AM CST
Name: Alan
Chandler, AZ; 85225 (Zone 9b)
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Bare with me for a 2nd, as I'm not from a cold climate. If the rose were grafted, and you planted the graft 6 inches below ground, is it possible that this rose could survive in that colder climate? Maybe even with some mulched hay or wood chips or soil piled up around it for the winter? Or what about own root. Can own root roses survive in climates where normally grafted ones would die, and you would only end up with the root stock coming up and blooming? As I said, not from cold climate, but it might be worth a try. Well, actually I am from a cold climate, Durango, Colorado, but when I lived there gardening was the last thing on my mind. Very young :)

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Jun 16, 2010 8:35 AM CST
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Name: aka GardenQuilts
Pocono Mountains, PA
I suspect that my problem with grafted roses has been the spring freeze-thaw period. Spring is also very wet, so the ground fluctuates from solid ice to spongy mush and back again daily. Any snow cover melts then refreezes to solid ice. It is also very rocky here in the Pocono Mountains, so it is very difficult to dig extremely deep holes to bury the graft. There are also areas of clay soil. My grafted roses split at the graft. All were planted with the graft below the surface and considerable winter protection. Most were bargain roses, so higher quality plants may be different.

At this point, I am happy with my own root hardy roses in my garden, but get zone envy while watching the rose parades.

I was asking about RU own root versions of these roses. Florist roses that are weak growers in CA are probably not the best choices for the Pocono Mountains.
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