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Name: Dirt
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dirtdorphins
Feb 5, 2020 10:16 PM CST
Valery33 said:Similar in color, for comparison:

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Alabaster Lace - Queen Of Angels ; Amplified - Cajun Rhythm

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Bahia Cooler - Boulevard Jazz ; Captain thunderbolt - By Jeeves

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Delgara - Amplified ; Diabolique - Mount Vesuvius

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Gates Of Rome - Dinner Talk

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Delgara - Honey House ; Deliciously Different - Barbara My Love

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Downtown Man - Edge of Heaven ; In The Morning - Taylor Louise

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Going Green Sofia ; Prague - Toronto

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Milan - All My Dreams ; ORANGE JUICE - Amplified

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Kitty Kay - In The Morning ; Aura Light - Tour de France

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Red Skies - Obsessed ; Sofia - Pretty Is

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Spice Lord - Huckleberry Sundae ; UP IN FLAMES - Rarer Than Rubies

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Ruby Royal - Ennoble ; Stole The Show - Snapshot

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Snapshot - Pirate Ahoy ; Santorini - Nehalem Bay

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Georgette Silk - Social Graces ; Wintry Sky - Crowned Heads

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Deliciously Different -Diamond Necklace ; Dreamalot - Matters of the Heart


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AndreaD
Feb 5, 2020 10:52 PM CST
These comparison photos are so helpful. You can see where even though some of the pairs of irises are similar in color, but differ in size and form.
Name: Jeanne
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gardenglassgems
Feb 6, 2020 5:24 AM CST
Thank You! Dirt for starting this thread.

Thank You! Valery for the comparison photos. They are very nice. Hurray!
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Name: Valeria Tishchenko
Ukraine, Zaporizhzhya region (Zone 6a)
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Valery33
Feb 6, 2020 5:38 AM CST
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Advance to Go - Gypsy Lord ; Are we in Love - Matters of the Heart

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Delgara - Amarillo Frills ; Bravery - Daring deception

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Mesmerizer - Helen Dawn ; Daring deception - Bigger is better

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Double platinum - Rite of passage

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Diabolique - Nora Eileen ; Ennoble - Diabolique

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Queen of Angels - Pure As The ; Ritzy - Lacy Primrose - Picasso Moon

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Snapshot - Mercury Rising ; Cayenne Capers - Can Can Red

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World Without End - Diabolique ; Savannah Sunset - Amplified

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Sofia - Delgara ; Girl Gone Wild - Jeanne Clay Plank




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William
Feb 6, 2020 1:04 PM CST
I really like this thread so I just started a thread in the Site Talk forum because I think it would be useful if there were a way to search fine comparison photos such as Valeria's:
We have Plant Combination photos, but I was uncertain if that database area would be suitable or not for that:
The thread "Include comparison photos between similar plants in the database?" in Site Talk forum
Name: Robin
Melbourne, Australia (Zone 10b)
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Totally_Amazing
Feb 6, 2020 4:50 PM CST
Thank You! Dirt for starting the thread
Thank You! Valeria for the beautiful photos

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Los Altos, CA (Zone 9b)
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AndreaD
Feb 6, 2020 11:42 PM CST
William, Including pictures of comparable irises in the database would be extremely helpful. Great idea.
Name: Valeria Tishchenko
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Valery33
Feb 7, 2020 3:58 AM CST
Totally_Amazing said:

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Peggy Anne/Silver Streak


How similar and how different! Thumbs up
Name: Leslie
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Lestv
Feb 7, 2020 9:51 AM CST
It would take a bunch of programming to set up comparison sections in each plant database. And there will be a bunch of debate about what traits you are comparing and the definitions of similar. Example: Yes, Peggy Anne and Silver Streak are similar broken colored iris in the same color range. But I do not find all of the other example pictures above to be that closely similar. Especially ones with different colored standards but similar fall patterns. So how would that be handled in a comparison database? Would you have to set up a comparison area for each iris, i.e. those that look like Peggy Anne, those that look like Wintry Sky, etc.? How would you search it, especially if you have one like Peggy Anne that isn't already listed as similar? Would many people use such a database? Do we actively grow iris that look like others we already have?
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TBManOR
Feb 7, 2020 11:56 AM CST
I love seeing the photo comparisons, and phenotypic similarities as far as bloom goes. I've enjoyed this thread very much.
As a forum member who grows many hundreds of TB's, including nearly all of the ones pictured, I find that similarity in bloom color/pattern between different cultivars is where alot of the similitude ends. There could be/and are, significant differences in growth habit, flower form, bud count, hardiness, branching, vigor, disease resistance. Also, even small differences in color/pattern, can be appreciated and enjoyed, if they were intentionally planted together, (or unintentionally) like i do frequently.
If anything, this thread and its photo comparisons should be an instructive visual tutorial in regards to hybridizers selecting and choosing seedlings for introduction, especially introducing into crowded color schemes and pattern classes -- i.e, whites, blues/lavenders, cream/yellow "Debby Rairdon" types, amoenas, and reverse blue bitones, and purples, purple plics ....
For example, this seedling of mine -- Wintery Sky X Cherished Friendship
38" high, 2 branches plus spur, 7- 9 buds, sometimes 10, great substance, flower form, and growth habit. But it'll never be introduced........ why?
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...... Too similar to many others in this color class, PLUS, this seedling literally blooms with the SDB's!!! making it a poor choice for anyone, but the south and desert southwest locales. However its many good traits will be used to create other seedlings, different from this one hopefully with some unique traits, colors, form, etc.




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William
Feb 7, 2020 5:14 PM CST
Lestv said:It would take a bunch of programming to set up comparison sections in each plant database. And there will be a bunch of debate about what traits you are comparing and the definitions of similar. Example: Yes, Peggy Anne and Silver Streak are similar broken colored iris in the same color range. But I do not find all of the other example pictures above to be that closely similar. Especially ones with different colored standards but similar fall patterns. So how would that be handled in a comparison database? Would you have to set up a comparison area for each iris, i.e. those that look like Peggy Anne, those that look like Wintry Sky, etc.? How would you search it, especially if you have one like Peggy Anne that isn't already listed as similar? Would many people use such a database? Do we actively grow iris that look like others we already have?


If you search the database for a plant, you already get all of the Plant Combination photos that have that plant tagged. So everything to do this is actually already in place. It is more a question if Plant Combinations are the best place for these kind of comparison photos or not. Maybe there needs to be a separate section, but the same code could still be reused, with very little modification. Smiling

Let's say I search for 'Absolute Treasure' and then I can immediately see all other irises it has been compared to. Sometimes the comparison photos will show great similarities between the flowers, sometimes they will be more different. Both are good to know for selecting. There is no need at all to set up a separate section for Peggy Anne, Wintry Sky or anything else.

I think a lot of us replace older iris with newer, but similar cultivars, so I think there is a window of opportunity to take comparison photos while you still grow both cultivars.

Name: Robin
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Totally_Amazing
Feb 7, 2020 8:00 PM CST
Thank You! for the acorn Valeria Green Grin!
I noticed that you have some Australian irises from a nursery that doesn't export. Where did you buy Diamond Necklace from? A couple of people in Europe have asked me how to buy Grosvenor/Taylor irises and I thought it wasn't possible.

I think "Plant combinations" could be used to link photos of similar irises to the iris database. It wouldn't matter if they are similar or not.

Name: Valeria Tishchenko
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Valery33
Feb 7, 2020 11:50 PM CST
Totally_Amazing said:
I noticed that you have some Australian irises from a nursery that doesn't export. Where did you buy Diamond Necklace from? A couple of people in Europe have asked me how to buy Grosvenor/Taylor irises and I thought it wasn't possible.


"Diamond necklace." We bought it from one of our regular domestic suppliers. How he bought it, I don't know. Pictures taken with Iris, which is 1 year old. The flower was very large. This year we are likely to see a full-fledged flower stalk.

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Name: Robin
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Totally_Amazing
Feb 8, 2020 3:00 AM CST
Thanks Valeria Thumbs up I am hoping my Diamond Necklace will bloom this year Crossing Fingers!
Name: Valeria Tishchenko
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Valery33
Feb 8, 2020 3:52 AM CST
Totally_Amazing said:Thanks Valeria Thumbs up I am hoping my Diamond Necklace will bloom this year Crossing Fingers!

I will wait for your pictures! Crossing Fingers! Smiling

Name: Valeria Tishchenko
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Valery33
Feb 8, 2020 4:08 AM CST
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Badlands - World Without End ; Taylor Louise - Kentucky Woman




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Name: Valeria Tishchenko
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Valery33
Sep 26, 2020 4:05 PM CST
Hello! Multiple pairs :)
Australian Rose - Outcaste ; Berserk - Gallic Softness
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Aztec Art - Snapshot
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Color Wheel - Pop Idol

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Debutante's Lace - Future Bride; Gates of Rome - Crowns for Credit

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Grapetizer - Midnight Velvet; Next Millennium - Morozko

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Olena Bayrak - Nothing but Class; She - Parisian Lace

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Name: Robin
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Totally_Amazing
Sep 26, 2020 4:20 PM CST
It is always interesting to compare similar irises side by side Thumbs up
Name: Evelyn
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evelyninthegarden
Sep 26, 2020 5:48 PM CST
Totally_Amazing said:It is always interesting to compare similar irises side by side Thumbs up


I agree
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lauriemorningglory
Sep 26, 2020 6:02 PM CST
I agree Thank You!

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