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Oregon  EmilyEm Feb 8, 2020 12:40 PM CST |
| Hi! I'm an apartment dweller in Oregon. I've been growing some native plants in the large bed next to my front door, with limited success. Although this bed gets full sun, its clay soil is very damp. In fact, it's sprouted mushrooms in places. My neighbor has hydrangeas that are thriving in this soil. I've got a camellia bush that's doing well as well as a happy copper beech bush, excited borage, a thrilled fern, and some thriving bulbs coming up. I also planted heuchera, kinnikinnick, butterfly bush, and evergreen huckleberry. (Yes, I know this is a lot and perhaps aesthetically questionable, but I'm trying to help birds, butterflies, and bees.) The heuchera has all but died, even though it supposedly loves clay, as has the butterfly bush. The evergreen huckleberry and kinnikinnick are alive, but they haven't grown in months. I think the plants are dying because of the dampness, but I'm not sure. I'm in Zone 8/9. I'm wondering what I can plant in this bed that will flourish. My preference is for native plants, or at least plants that are helpful to butterflies, songbirds, etc. Any advice would be heartily appreciated! |
Name: Big Bill Livonia, Michigan (Zone 6a) Professional Geezer              BigBill Feb 8, 2020 2:25 PM CST |
| You won't get much to grow unless you improve the soil. A drastic over haul is needed. Just how many square feet is the bed? Rodney Wilcox Jones, my idol! Businessman, Orchid grower, hybridizer, lived to 107! |
Name: one-eye-luke US.Vet. Texas (Zone 8a) Quitter's never Win    oneeyeluke Feb 8, 2020 3:44 PM CST |
| White Flower Farm, has a plant section called, "Plants for Moist Soil" give them a try they have about 12 different flowering plants for wet soil. NOT A EXPERT! Just a grow worm! I never met a plant I didn’t love.✌ |
Name: Diana Southeast Missouri (Zone 6a)           DraDiana Feb 8, 2020 4:02 PM CST |
| Rose Mallows (Hibiscus moscheutos and others) are native bog plants. They are tall and lanky. The Hardy Hibiscus cultivars derived from them include smaller more compact plants with huge blooms. They can tolerate wet feet just fine. |
Name: Lee-Roy Bilzen, Belgium (Zone 8a)        Arico Feb 8, 2020 4:45 PM CST |
| Heuchera's are woodland plants and fry in full baking sun. You might want to try: Perennials: Iris sibirica, ensata (if moist at all times as you say) Rodgersia (if moist at all times, even tolerates waterlogging) Astilbe Aster sp. Rudbeckia Astranta Kniphofia Geranium sp. Shrubs/trees: Cornus sp. Buddleja Bulbs: Leucojum aestivum Galanthus nivalis/elwesii Fritillaria meleagris Narcissus (less so than the above mentioned) |
Oregon EmilyEm Feb 8, 2020 8:37 PM CST |
BigBill said:You won't get much to grow unless you improve the soil. A drastic over haul is needed. Just how many square feet is the bed? Unfortunately, I'm a renter, so I don't think I'd be permitted to do anything too drastic. |
Oregon EmilyEm Feb 8, 2020 8:38 PM CST |
| Thank you for all of your amazing suggestions! |
Name: Bea (Zone 8b)           bumplbea Feb 8, 2020 8:45 PM CST |
| EmilyEm...Also easy and hardy shrubs love Oregon weather. There are so many varieties. They are available in Mini and medium sizes. Rhododendrons Azaleas I’m so busy... “I don’t know if I found a rope or lost a horse.” |
Maryland LarryCrutchley Feb 8, 2020 10:23 PM CST |
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Name: Luis Hurst, TX, U.S.A. (Zone 8a)     luis_pr Feb 9, 2020 11:56 AM CST |
| If you are a renter, be on the lookout for landscape companies given generic comments that may result in them cutting/pruning plants that should not be pruned. You may suddenly find your plants cut in half or deciduous plants cut all the way down. Ask the owner if you can put a sign that says do not prune. |
West Central Minnesota (Zone 4a) Rubi Feb 9, 2020 12:31 PM CST |
Arico said: If this is what's commonly known as Siberian Iris, I'd definitely agree with this recommendation. I've got them planted by my drainspout, and they're growing like weeds! |
Georgia (Zone 8a)     Hamwild Feb 9, 2020 2:44 PM CST |
| Swamp hibiscus Siberian Iris Juncus Spiderwort Canna Lily Northern Sea Oat I have these in a clay bed that floods and they do fine. Dwarf wax myrtle is a shrub I have read does well in wet clay. |
canada 4b (Zone 8a) Dirtmechanic Feb 9, 2020 8:57 PM CST |
EmilyEm said:Hi! I'm an apartment dweller in Oregon. I've been growing some native plants in the large bed next to my front door, with limited success. Although this bed gets full sun, its clay soil is very damp. In fact, it's sprouted mushrooms in places. It is actually air that is lacking. The soil will drain, but the durn clay particles being so fine and packing when wet is the first and worst issue. Because it is so dense, it takes a lot of compost to balance it. One good shovel of dense clay weighs about as much as an entire bag of black kow compost. Anyway, the secret is to go up like a planter but leave the clay bottom open. Think tall borders. Tall enough to help feeder roots breathe. You can pry and shovel the plants up redo their soil if they are not too big. |
Name: Heather H Richmond, Va (Zone 7a)  HeatherH444 Feb 9, 2020 10:09 PM CST |
| I would think that if you are allowed to plant in this spot, which means you have certain " rights" to the area, ( if you are allowed to plant in that spot,you gotta dig a little)that you could dig out some of that clay,shovel it into a bucket or bag and replace it with topsoil, soil conditioner and compost. A large bag of each mixed into the clay would drastically improve the growing areas soil and ability to grow different plants |
Name: Lee-Roy Bilzen, Belgium (Zone 8a) Arico Feb 10, 2020 4:31 AM CST |
HeatherH444 said:I would think that if you are allowed to plant in this spot, which means you have certain " rights" to the area, ( if you are allowed to plant in that spot,you gotta dig a little)that you could dig out some of that clay,shovel it into a bucket or bag and replace it with topsoil, soil conditioner and compost. A large bag of each mixed into the clay would drastically improve the growing areas soil and ability to grow different plants Placing a different (read: more draining) soil type on top of another doesn't leviate drainage problems. In fact it enforces them because of the formation of a perched water table. Mixing the two is totally out of the question. To improve drainage on a clay soil by incoorporating 'sand' you'd need ATLEAST the same amount in volume to make a difference over the ENTIRE area. A waste of time, effort and money. Mixing organic matter into the soil doesn't help long term either. It will decompose eventually, making the soil sink back to the original level causing problems for your planted stuff and in the mean time might even cause anaerobic conditions futher down. |
Name: stone near Macon Georgia (USA) (Zone 8a)     stone Feb 10, 2020 7:44 AM CST |
| I'd be planting some of those wonderful pacific coast iris that we can't grow here... Also... how about some nice blackberries? |
Georgia (Zone 8a) Hamwild Feb 10, 2020 8:45 AM CST |
| I forgot one. Swamp Milkweed Here's my garden last year:  |
Name: Debbieo Florence Al (Zone 7a)  taterpye Apr 20, 2020 9:34 AM CST |
| Geez louise. I have the same problem with my soil. I moved NW Al and now have "chirt". Oh my. I have gardened in clay soil in Atl Ga successfully. But this has me crying the blues. I have no rich uncle and the money it would take or the labor is huge and beyond my reach. I am trying hardy hibiscus this year. Successful with milkweed. I have killed a variety of plants in the last few years. I see way too many containers in my future.  I am searching roadsides for what works  |
Name: Rob Portland, OR (Zone 8b)    nuttallii Apr 20, 2020 10:14 AM CST |
| The Lewis mock orange is a nice, native shrub with beautiful white flowers that smell of citrus. Bees love it, and it will grow just about anywhere. The scientific name is philadelphus lewisii. |
Name: Diana Southeast Missouri (Zone 6a) DraDiana Apr 20, 2020 12:39 PM CST |
Cranberry Crush breaking dormancy in red clay muck and rocks in the drainage area next to the driveway: The really healthy looking green thing in the background is dandelions.  Some blue-eyed grass is surviving in the ditch, plus a couple of volunteer holly hocks. I had a wild type daylily "ditch lily" volunteer there until I moved it. It doesn't require much weeding - most weeds don't like it. |
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