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Northern California
FishNChips_Matt
Mar 15, 2020 3:25 PM CST
I found this rose last year along a spring at a 1870-1890 homestead site by Red Bluff, California. It is a bush rose, about 5 feet high and 8 feet across. It has gone wild but is healthy. The canes are covered in thorns all the way up to the blooms. The blooms are pink with some white highlights. The perfume is very strong, the entire valley smelled of the rose and was very impressive. My thoughts are some variety of rosa centifolia?

I returned this year and gathered cuttings to try an propagate the rose, along with a few other varieties at the site and some different fruit trees in the area (pears and apples mostly). The other rose (no good pictures), is a small miniature variety with deep red flowers. But it is the pink rose I am most interested in identifying.

Thank You for any help!
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Name: seil
St Clair Shores, MI (Zone 6a)
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seilMI
Mar 18, 2020 3:39 PM CST
It's really beautiful. I wish I could help you ID it.

MetteBee_DenmarkZ8
Mar 19, 2020 3:34 PM CST
Lovely rose. If you could provide closeups of the flower, buds, leaves etc, it might help identify it. As well as whether it reblooms or not. Maybe some of the rose rustlers have an idea?
Coastal Southern California (Zone 13a)
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jerijen
Mar 19, 2020 4:45 PM CST
You don't say how large the blooms are . . .
and you don't show the buds.
If the buds and foliage shown in the second image are a match:
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. . . I'd say that you have 'Russelliana' ("Russell's Cottage Rose")
https://www.helpmefind.com/ros...

If that's not a match, give me a little more information on bloom size . . . We'll try again.
Northern California
FishNChips_Matt
Mar 20, 2020 9:55 AM CST
That might be it! The blooms are about 3- 3 1/2 inches, with 3 inches being the average. I took more pictures last year, but unfortunately my computer failed and I lost them. I had these saved to my phone. I took cuttings last year but my wifes dog decided they were delicious.

I will hike back in when it blooms and get more close up pictures of the buds, blossoms and foliage. I need to go back to better ID some of the fruit trees I got cuttings from as well. I admire the tenacity of these heirloom plants, my modern fruit trees are constant work.

Thank you
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Coastal Southern California (Zone 13a)
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jerijen
Mar 21, 2020 11:51 AM CST
Here are some better images of "Russelliana":

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Northern California
FishNChips_Matt
Mar 22, 2020 11:51 AM CST
I will definately have to go back and look at the buds.

I found another possible rose match. Baronne Prévost.

I was closer studying some of the fruit trees in the area and discovered they were grafted to wild apple and pear stock, so likely nursery stock. I downloaded the Felix Gillet 1891s advert for Nevada City and California and searched every rose variety they sold in the area. The Baronne matches the rose description, 5' high, 5' across bush rose, lush foliage and strong rose odor. Rated as one of the better hybrids from 1841. Some modern version looks a bit different, but pictures of the old varieties look like it. I need to go back in May and get pictures of buds and bloom size to be sure.

I appreciate all the help.


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