Daylilies forum: Proliferations and low branches

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Name: Larry
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Seedfork
Mar 21, 2020 10:04 AM CST
@Davi and all others.
I was checking out Davi's new offerings on the LA, and I noticed this note.
"All plants are grown in the ground with increase from natural division only.....No greenhouse, no bap, no proliferations, or any other artificial means of propagation have been used."
I have read that proliferations are identical to the mother plant genetically and I have also read that they may not always be identical.
So I was not exactly sure if this meant that there were "no proliferations" grown and sold or if only meant that "no proliferations grown by artificial means were grown and sold."
So I have a couple of questions about that.
First are plants grown in pots considered to be grown in ground, or does in ground only refer to plants not grown hydroponically in some way. I guess my real question on that is are "in ground plants superior" and in what ways are they superior and what exactly does in ground mean... field grown?
My next questions is about proliferations, are naturally appearing proliferations inferior when grown to maturity than the parent plant in any way?
One more question totally unrelated to the above:
I have a new scape on one of my seedlings and it has some nice branching, but the first branch is down low, only about four inches or so from the ground. I had never given much thought to a branch being too low(most of my plants are older and don't have much lateral branching just recently over the past two years getting better plants), but I can see that if this branch does not shoot upward and allow the blooms to be up higher than the foliage that could be a defect. Is it possible the branches will be up higher on the scape after another year or so?
For some reason I had an image in my head of a scape with branches all up and down the entire scape as being something I would want, but now after seeing this one it may not be.
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Name: Maurice
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admmad
Mar 21, 2020 11:58 AM CST
Proliferations that occurred naturally on a daylily scape should be genetically identical to the parent plant. They should be genetically the same as a fan with crown divided from its clump.

They may be a little disturbed in their growth for a while. That is because to go from being part of the scape to going back to being a vegetative fan their hormones and possibly other parts of their physiology are confused. So they may not grow quite 100% normally until they settle back to completely normal physiology. However, that is not a genetic effect. Perhaps it might be compared to a person having too much of some beverages Whistling
Maurice
Name: Nancy
Bowling Green Kentucky (Zone 6b)
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alilyfan
Mar 21, 2020 12:05 PM CST
Glad you asked this question about prolifs. I had also read once in an article, not by Davi, that prolifs were not identical to the parent, but have read in many more places that they are identical. I have no idea if the one article I read had any scientific backing, but it sounded legit. Confusing, but to my mind it would be logical for a prolif to be a true child.
Name: Mike
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Hazelcrestmikeb
Mar 21, 2020 6:40 PM CST
Remember, everything you read on the internet is not true. I had four prolifs on Trahlyta grow and bloom as vigorous as the parent. One is growing in one of my friend's garden on here.
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spunky1
Mar 22, 2020 5:21 AM CST
I would not worry about a low branch, if you have 7-8 branch's they
need to be spaced on the scape.
Both of these have branching from bottom to top
Thumb of 2020-03-22/spunky1/9b09b0

This scape is a good example of one that looks
like it may bloom in the foliage but I sure would
not call it a defect.


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