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Name: Seth n Sam .....
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Weluvroses
Apr 16, 2020 3:24 PM CST
Several of my Roses I've tied down laterally and they shot shoots up the entire length. It has to do with growth auxins. When the cane is straight up. The growth auxins go straight to the top tip growth. When you lay it down laterally it spreads out the growth auxins to each shoot.
Name: Arturo Tarak
Bariloche, Rio Negro, Argentin (Zone 8a)
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hampartsum
Apr 16, 2020 6:25 PM CST
Mustbnuts said:Arturo, I don't know why you are so committed to my "MB" (IF that is her), either! If you were closer to me, I would dig her up and give her to you (of course, six feet apart). Truth be told, I am liking her better as a climber! She is not so obtrusive that way. No more bare canes with leaves only on the tippy top. Two of her buds are starting to open. At least I can see that she has pink flowers (like the majority of roses). Should be open in the next few days or so, depending on the rain we are supposed to get.


I know that you will eventually just love that bush!. How do I know? I haven't got the faintest idea.... *Blush* Smiling . We are really far more mysterious creatures than ever thought by philosophers or psychologists alike. Roses do call our name and they relate to us in most unexpected ways. Perhaps "your" MB is sending messages/vibes this far south, so that I prompt you to keep it and overcome initial uncertainties. I seem to go through this process myself quite frequently. Whistling When you got the hang of it when in full bloom, you'll smile very pleased recalling these posts.... Smiling
Arturo

PS I'm dedicating a Group hug to your MB Big Grin
Name: Lyn
Weaverville, California (Zone 8a)
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RoseBlush1
Apr 16, 2020 8:11 PM CST
Mustbnuts said:OK, my first general rose question. Will all roses, if you can bend the canes, make blooming laterals, whether or not they are climbers? Or, will climbers only do that?


MBN ... all roses will do that. There are two reasons behind my answer.

The first is that when you bend the cane, you are interrupting the flow of sap to the end of the cane. This interferes with apical dominence.

The second is that when you bend the cane, you allow light to reach bud eyes lower down on the cane, which will stimulate the growth of laterals.

Smiling

I'd rather weed than dust ... the weeds stay gone longer.
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Mustbnuts
Apr 17, 2020 8:52 AM CST
Thank you all so much for your responses about laterals. Very, very helpful for me in learning all I can about roses and their growth habits.

Arturo, I think MB will eventually circle my entire yard! Not exactly what I had planned, but I am willing to leave her alone for this year to see what develops and I am hoping she doesn't get much bigger. I have my doubts regarding her eventual size, as she is own root and I have only had her less than a year. If she puts on this kind of growth in less than a year, I can't imagine how big she will be in 5 years. She will have spread across the entire county by then and I live in a big county (I think we are bigger than the state of Rhode Island).

I have been making videos of my yard to send to my parents who both are in assisted living facilities at the opposite end of the state from me (CA is a big, long state). I stop and talk about each rose in my yard on the video (I am sure it bores the heck out of them--my Mom keeps saying everything looks the same in my yard).

I can see when I talk about my roses to other people (non-plant people--like my parents and family), their eyes glaze over in a couple of seconds, so I stop. To me, each of my roses is so unique and I see the differences in them. When I talk to non-rose people, their responses are usually, yea, different roses. You have pink roses, yellow roses, white and red roses. That is it. They are surprised to learn that there are different types with different growth habits. To me, and my eye, each rose is so different, for the most part, however, Austins are starting to look all the same to me--just different color variations of the same rose--that statement I am sure is heresy to some people!. BTW, look out for Austin singles and semi-doubles. They are the best and were David Austin's favorites. Hard to find them anymore, unfortunately.

I am surprised at how many old roses I now have. I would say it is at least 50% if not more. I have gone to the dark side! I am a history buff and their history is fascinating to me as is who they are named after. Very few, if any newer roses interest me anymore. Jeri Jennings, it is all your fault! Hurray! When I purchased my first old rose, Vick's Caprice (after much thought, fear and trepidation), Jeri stated it would not be my last. She was so right!

The dreaded Hoplia beetles are back, unfortunately. I am spending time each day killing those nasty little buggers. Five more weeks to go until they are gone. I am counting it down. They are loving Mary Magdalene this year. She has been putting on a spectacular display this year as well. Her best so far. Unfortunately, Austin, I think, will no longer be having her in production. For those of you in warmer climates (I have no experience growing roses in cold environments), get her while you can. She is worth it.

OK, I have got to scoot as I am working today, (filling in for others that can't work, due to illness, etc.). Have a great day everyone. Stay safe and well!
Name: Arturo Tarak
Bariloche, Rio Negro, Argentin (Zone 8a)
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hampartsum
Apr 17, 2020 3:55 PM CST
I can see when I talk about my roses to other people (non-plant people--like my parents and family), their eyes glaze over in a couple of seconds, so I stop. To me, each of my roses is so unique and I see the differences in them. When I talk to non-rose people, their responses are usually, yea, different roses.
You've brought up a very interesting issue here! I find this description perfect . I experience exactly the same. I really wonder what is going on inside those people. Why do they stop? Why are they so uninterested? Lack of curiosity? I admire your patience with non plant people. I normally shut my mouth quickly, turn away and avoid conversation henceforth. If I am to talk then I do expect a back and forth experience, a dialog I would say, if not... Sighing!

To me, and my eye, each rose is so different, for the most part, I agree
They provide infinite delight at my silent conversation with each of them. I can spend hours long that way... *Blush* why waste our precious lives in unproductive polite chat? Of course there are family members ( i.e my sibling brother who has that same uninterested attitude ), that ask for at least a kind ear. Smiling
So with years adding to my age I gradually have reduced it to those I can maintain a dialog. Plants in general, roses in particular are my main theme. Another area is classical music that I find echoed with my plant choices. Finally topped with good food, preferably grown here at our farm.
I am surprised at how many old roses I now have. I would say it is at least 50% if not more
Same here and I am still trying to grow any that I can get my hands on. Perhaps one day I'll reach your 50%, now closer to 30%. They are not grown extensively here and the COVID shutdown has stopped the rose trade for a while. Hopefully one day this dreadful pandemic will be over throughout the world Sad Crossing Fingers! Crossing Fingers! Crossing Fingers!

Arturo


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Mustbnuts
Apr 19, 2020 12:51 PM CST
Some quick pictures from today

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Name: Lola
Tasmania
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LolaTasmania
Apr 19, 2020 8:02 PM CST
Thumb of 2020-04-20/LolaTasmania/fa00abI love Boscobel so much I've ordered another.
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Name: seil
St Clair Shores, MI (Zone 6a)
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seilMI
Apr 19, 2020 8:04 PM CST
Your rose is beautiful, your garden is gorgeous and I love your flag!

fisherwoman
Apr 19, 2020 8:51 PM CST
Has anyone browsed Rose Petals Nursery site recently ? The photos effectively draw a rose person into that strange world of preserved past in the present.
I love many of the new roses, but have to say the vintage roses hold a mysterious attraction I find spellbinding.
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Mustbnuts
Apr 19, 2020 8:59 PM CST
Lola, your roses are gorgeous! To my very untrained eye, the color of Boscobel (in your picture) looks very much the same as Professor Sieber. I know how deceiving photos can be. Is it more pink? How are the colors different?

Fisherwoman, I know exactly what you are talking about.
Name: Lola
Tasmania
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LolaTasmania
Apr 20, 2020 2:21 PM CST
Mustbnuts - Professor Sieber is a superficial candy pink that you can see the white base through whereas Boscobel is a dusky rose colour of incredible depth with no white under any layer of colour at all. They look similar in the photos but PS is like a thin coating of cheap pink nail varnish compared to Boscobel which is like a dozen coats of deep rose gel polish.

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Boscobel on the left with PS on the right. PS fades and bleaches with age and Boscobel doesn't. The individual blooms of each rose look similar in colour but the abundance of faded blooms on PS give the whole bush a bleached and tatty look compared to the even colour of Boscobel.
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Name: Lynda Horn
Arkansas (Zone 7b)
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gardenfish
Apr 20, 2020 3:54 PM CST
My first Heirloom. The one I wait for all year. Beautiful color and fragrance.


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Name: Mike
Long Beach, Ca.
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Calsurf73
Apr 20, 2020 9:52 PM CST
Hurray! Hurray! Hurray!
That's definitely a photo contest picture !
Name: Lynda Horn
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gardenfish
Apr 20, 2020 11:33 PM CST
Mike, thank you so much!
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Mustbnuts
Apr 21, 2020 7:09 PM CST
Ah ha! Lola! Thank you for taking time to explain it to me and with pictures! I now see what you are saying. That Boscobel is definitely beautiful. Years ago, I tried to find one on its own root but was unsuccessful. How big has yours gotten? Does it tend to grow upright or more sideways? I still don't know if "Marchessa" is staying or going. Of course she may cover the entire state before she blooms and I finally decide.

My Wedding Cake roses are looking particularly bad this year. I have three of them on their own roots. It tends to be a fairly hard to find rose and I hate to get rid of it (even though I have threatened to for the past three years). The center of the roses are black for some reason. Not an attractive look. Just the centers and not the rest of the bloom (although the blooms are smaller than "normal"). None of the other roses in the bed are displaying this, so I don't know what it is.

I have Augusta coming in the fall but she will be too big for Wedding Cake spot. I also have Schön Ingeborg coming in the fall and still believe that will eventually get too big for that spot as well. I still have Souv. de McKinley in a pot along with Mme. Franziska Kruger. Since they are in pots right now, I am not sure how big they will get in my climate or if they can tolerate full sun (which where I live is like living on the sun). I also like Homère' and understand he can really take the sun and heat and continuously blooms. Again, however, I am worried about his eventual size. So, I am looking at Judith Singer's roses. I know they can take the heat. Boscobel would look beautiful in this spot and "fit" with the other plants in the bed.

Our weather is totally weird. This weekend it was cold and rainy. Just enough to cause my blooms to have trouble opening. High temp for the day was about 60 F. Tomorrow, we are to have lots of wind. Friday, it is supposed to hit 90 F for the entire weekend. That and the wind should pretty well fry my first blooms. Shame as I have been enjoying my yard and I think it looks very nice this year.
Name: Lola
Tasmania
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LolaTasmania
Apr 21, 2020 7:25 PM CST
Mustbnuts - My Boscobel is around 2.5ft tall but wider than it is tall. The blooms don't nod unless they are very old so the whole bush seems fresh and new most of the time. I have come to realise that it is spent blooms that I can't handle which is why so many otherwise beautiful roses will never stay long in my garden. Once they start to look tatty they need to go.
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Mustbnuts
Apr 22, 2020 6:24 AM CST
Ah, again Lola, thanks! As always, very helpful.

I just got emailed Ludwigs' Newsletter. As always, it is great to see and hear the experience of others re: roses from another part of the world. In it, he has a quiz. Anyone interested in taking it? If you live in South Africa, he will give rose plants to those who are the first to answer all questions correctly. Wish he still had his nursery in Arizona. I don't know the answers to all of the questions, but was surprised that I actually knew some. I think I will post this as a separate post. I wish I knew a way to post the newsletter with the pictures. Unfortunately, the printer version has none,
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vaporvac
Apr 22, 2020 8:18 AM CST
How can one get on their mailing list?
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Mustbnuts
Apr 22, 2020 9:37 AM CST
Vap, https://www.ludwigsroses.co.za...

Go to the very bottom of the page. In the grey highlighted big box, there is a subscribe to our newsletter and a place to put your email.
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vaporvac
Apr 22, 2020 12:59 PM CST
Done!!! Thank you. I love their pruning instructions and videos including those on Summer pruning HTs. Smiling

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