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Apr 10, 2020 4:51 PM CST
Name: William Groth
Houston, TX zone 9a
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Hello everyone

I thought this should be a separate thread Confused
I am thinking that I should again ask the landlord if I could build
a large rose bed next to the driveway where I get full sun and
planting the following Tea Roses:

Duchess de Brabant (Comtesse de Labarthe)
Mrs. B. R. Cant

And maybe try the following Teas
Marie Van Houtte
Rubens or Safrano
Mme Joseph Schwartz
And maybe one or two shrub roses
Belinda's Blush
Belinda's Dream
Don't judge each day by the harvest you reap, but by the seeds that you plant.
Robert Louis Stevenson
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Apr 11, 2020 11:52 AM CST
Coastal Southern California (Zone 13a)
Just know that both Mrs. B.R. Cant and Marie van Houtte will be pretty big plants. So, I suspect will Rubens ... while Safrano is smaller, everywhere I've seen it. Lovely roses, however.

This is Marie van Houtte ... and she has the loveliest foliage . . .
Thumb of 2020-04-11/jerijen/c17585

This is Mrs. B.R. Cant:
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Also lovely foliage.
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Apr 11, 2020 9:57 PM CST
Name: William Groth
Houston, TX zone 9a
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Here are my thoughts

I am really liking the cedar "raised beds" because of the 15" height
If I get 3 4'x6' raised beds in root cedar I could plant 2 bushes in each planter 6 in total
and the "raised beds" would cost $ 717 plus the cost of soil and roses.

If I get one 4'x12' "raised bed" in root cedar I could put 4 bushes in it and it would cost $ 399
plus the cost of soil and roses.

Or a very good option may be two Gronomics Cedar 3-Tier "Raised Bed" 95"x48"x19"Height
which would cost $ 739.98 at WayFair and $ 689.98 at Walmart I really like the height
This would also allow me to plant 6 bushes with three in each bed.
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Don't judge each day by the harvest you reap, but by the seeds that you plant.
Robert Louis Stevenson
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Apr 12, 2020 11:23 AM CST
Name: William Groth
Houston, TX zone 9a
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Well If I consider one of the options which allow for
planting 6 rose bushes, I will select:

Duchess de Brabant (Comtesse de Labarthe)
Mrs. B. R. Cant
Marie Van Houtte
Mme Joseph Schwartz
Belinda's Dream or La Marne
Monsieur Tillier

Also has anyone tried the Cedar raised beds??
Don't judge each day by the harvest you reap, but by the seeds that you plant.
Robert Louis Stevenson
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Apr 12, 2020 2:03 PM CST
Name: Porkpal
Richmond, TX (Zone 9a)
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I have all the roses you have chosen and think it is an excellent selection.
Porkpal
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Apr 12, 2020 4:36 PM CST
Name: William Groth
Houston, TX zone 9a
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I have always had a liking for Belinda's Dream and Duchess de Brabant
and Mrs. B. R. Cant. The other roses would be new to me!

I have never grown 'Marie Van Houtte', 'Mme. Joseph Schwartz', 'Monsieur Tillier' or
'La Marne'

Other roses that I would consider include 'Rival de Paestum' (Tea) and 'Belinda's Blush' if
I can find it.
Don't judge each day by the harvest you reap, but by the seeds that you plant.
Robert Louis Stevenson
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Apr 12, 2020 5:46 PM CST
Name: William Groth
Houston, TX zone 9a
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Another alternative would be three steel "raised beds" with dimensions 40"x76"x17" Height
which would extend to 19 feet. for $ 514.14 and I would still be able to place 6 rose bushes
in those beds.
Don't judge each day by the harvest you reap, but by the seeds that you plant.
Robert Louis Stevenson
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Apr 12, 2020 6:29 PM CST
SW Ohio River Valley (Zone 6b)
I think only ARE carries Belinda's Blush. I have and love both Belinda's Dream and La Marne, but they are very different roses. Maybe you just need them both! Smiling
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Apr 13, 2020 10:04 AM CST
Name: William Groth
Houston, TX zone 9a
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Well if I am able to put in that large rose bed
It will probably hold no more than 6 large bushes
and all of my choices will get large.
That is a goodly portion of my problem in a rent house
I can only do so much.
Don't judge each day by the harvest you reap, but by the seeds that you plant.
Robert Louis Stevenson
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Apr 13, 2020 3:48 PM CST
Name: William Groth
Houston, TX zone 9a
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Well, I am now back to looking because the steel "raised garden beds" that I really like are not available this season.
So I will just have to try a different tack
Don't judge each day by the harvest you reap, but by the seeds that you plant.
Robert Louis Stevenson
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Apr 13, 2020 5:31 PM CST
SW Ohio River Valley (Zone 6b)
Willinator, why do you need raised beds?
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Apr 14, 2020 5:27 AM CST
Name: William Groth
Houston, TX zone 9a
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Well, the reason we need raised beds in Houston TX is that with
the amount of rain etc. and the fact that roses do not like (wet feet)
It is recommended in Houston, TX that the beds be raised. And
remember we are in a rent house which means that if we install
raised beds they can be more easily taken apart.

But the more I consider the more I feel that the cost even at around
$ 500 is a bit cost prohibitive so I have decided to go with the 3 rose
bushes that I have currently in pots along with the other plants that
I will have in containers.
Don't judge each day by the harvest you reap, but by the seeds that you plant.
Robert Louis Stevenson
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Apr 14, 2020 12:44 PM CST
SW Ohio River Valley (Zone 6b)
I certainly would not like to disagree with local wisdom or even question local recommendations, but here we get between 45' and 60' of rain with heavy clay soil and they do fine here planted straight in the ground so long as I do the percolator test first. I add homemade compost to my soil and mulch on top. I would find grassing over a hole if necessary easy compared to making raised beds. Of course, pots are the most portable, I'm just terrible at keeping them happy. Maybe your landlord wouldn't mind them staying if you decided to leave them. I know that was the case when I had tenants plant roses; I was thrilled they cared! Just a thought. : -))
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