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Apr 22, 2020 6:02 PM CST
Orlando, Florida
Hi
I need some help to figure out what's going on. I recently had 8 rose bushes planted. All different colors, red, purple, white, yellow, pink, orange......etc. Within 3 months ALL of the roses have changed to a pinkish white color. None of the original colors are showing up. They're planted about a foot apart, which I believe is part of the problem. But need help with this please. Any idea what I can do or need to do to fix this?
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Apr 22, 2020 6:12 PM CST
Name: Paul
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Welcome Antoinette....perplexing problem. Pictures might help in diagnosing the problem. I've never heard to any like it.....
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Apr 22, 2020 6:35 PM CST
Orlando, Florida
Hi Paul
Thank you for getting back to me. I will take a picture during the day. It's very unusual and Im really upset over this.
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Apr 22, 2020 6:38 PM CST
Name: Daisy I
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Ah-Oh! That's bad! All your roses are the rootstock. The grafted roses died.
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Apr 22, 2020 7:36 PM CST
Name: Daisy I
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Do the roses look like this:

Rose (Rosa 'Fortuniana')

Its a common rose rootstock in Florida.
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Apr 22, 2020 8:22 PM CST
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Unfortunately I think Daisy's right and the rootstock has probably taken over in this case, which is why they all look the same.
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Apr 22, 2020 9:34 PM CST
Orlando, Florida
All within 3 months???? And theres nothing I can do? Perhaps move them to a different location? I was reading I'd have to find the graft and cut down to it?
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Apr 22, 2020 9:51 PM CST
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I only have a few roses here, but at the right time of year they can grow pretty quickly! If the root stock has taken over, then yes, you'll need to see if you can identify the original graft and cut back any of the stems from the rootstock.
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Apr 22, 2020 10:12 PM CST
Orlando, Florida
Or bring them back to the nursery
Ok, thanks for everyones help, much appreciated
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Apr 23, 2020 6:56 AM CST
Name: Luis
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Find out what the nursery's warranty is before taking them to the nursery. And find their purchase receipt. If the root stock has taken over, you may still be able to prune off the root stock and keep the planted roses buuuut, it just depends how much it has taken over. Good luck! I am shocked that 8 different roses all had the same problem so fast. Sorry you went thru that!
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Apr 23, 2020 4:53 PM CST
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Unfortunately, this is quite possible if all of the roses came from the same source and if that source used flawed grafting practices.

Cutting the stems from the rootstock will only stimulate them to continue growing. You'll have to dig down to the point where they're originating and pull them off the rootstock instead of cutting. Pull downwards to destroy the nodes producing them.
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Apr 23, 2020 5:11 PM CST
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But you said they are pink? And there aren't many pink rootstocks. Can you show us a photo of a couple of blooms, so we can be more certain?

And did all of these plants come from the same source?
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Apr 23, 2020 8:44 PM CST
Orlando, Florida
Roses all came from the same nursery. If I cut the roses back to the rootstock, there will literally be nothing left of the plants. Since they are still so "young", few months planted, they don't have many branches. I'm afraid I'd kill them if I do that.
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Apr 23, 2020 8:58 PM CST
Name: Seth n Sam .....
W.V. (Zone 6a)
So they had never bloomed before? With all the colors you mentioned? Did they have blooms when you planted them? Ots almost like they are that rose. And mislabeled.
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Apr 23, 2020 9:19 PM CST
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You said all of them were "pinkish white," but I only see pink. Those blooms aren't suckers from the rootstock. It looks as though someone planted several bushes of the same rose.
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Apr 23, 2020 9:29 PM CST
Orlando, Florida
No, they all had blooms on them when they were planted. I saw all the colors personally. I wanted to make sure they were ALL different. They were all bright brilliant colors. I also dead head my roses. 2 dead heads later, they're all this
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Apr 23, 2020 9:30 PM CST
Orlando, Florida
Zuzu if you towards the very back, you can see white and white/pink
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Apr 23, 2020 9:56 PM CST
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This is such a mystery. Do you know their names? Some roses are more changeable than others.
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Apr 23, 2020 10:41 PM CST
Name: John Hunley
E. TN (Zone 7a)
It is indeed mysterious. If they were all truly different "brilliant" varieties, I don't know how they could all change into such uniformly pastel roses. One rose I might see being that mutable. Several varieties? At once? And those recent blooms are definitely no root stock I'm aware of ever having been used commercially. And the fact they all changed from one bloom cycle to the next is head-scratching. If it were me, I'd suspect a neighborhood prankster had dug up and replaced all my roses Rolling on the floor laughing
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Apr 24, 2020 12:11 AM CST
Orlando, Florida
Gated community, can't get on the property lol. Ok I appreciate all the help from everyone. I'm going to bring them back to the nursery and get new ones. Perhaps a different stock. These all smell wonderful and thats what I wanted. Seems difficult to get and in a variety of colors
Night all, thanks again

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