Roses forum: Munstead Wood is purple, not crimson red

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Name: Rosemary
Sacramento, CA (Zone 9b)
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reh0622
Apr 25, 2020 12:30 PM CST
Is it normal for Munstead Woods to be decidedly purple/violette instead of crimson red? I will post pics when my ph. gets charged. I am starting to wonder if it was mislabeled.
SW Ohio River Valley (Zone 6b)
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vaporvac
Apr 25, 2020 1:02 PM CST
Count yourself lucky. I think that's the colour most of us desire. Mine is that in Spring and Fall, but almost fuchsia during the heat of the Summer. It is never crimson red in my garden and different environments can really affect habit and colour. However, colour is hard to describe. Can you post a good picture?
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Name: Rosemary
Sacramento, CA (Zone 9b)
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reh0622
Apr 25, 2020 1:26 PM CST
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Thank you for your observation, vaporvac. I have some Papa Meilland blooming near them and the difference between them is striking, like they belong to completely different color groups.
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Mustbnuts
Apr 25, 2020 2:40 PM CST
I have probably had my Munstead Wood for at least five years. I find as it gets older, the colors have also gotten deeper. Again it is next to the side of the house and faces west, so it gets the brunt of the sun, especially during the Hotter than Hades months (June through September). It tends to be more fuschia during that time. All in all, it has been a great rose for my garden even though DA is discontinuing it.

Here is a picture taken yesterday evening. It is very difficult to capture red on my cell phone. Sorry that the picture is a little blurry. It was taken on the fly.
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This picture is one of the first blooms from Munstead when I had first planted her.
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Here is Munstead during the heat of summer
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vaporvac
Apr 25, 2020 3:47 PM CST
I know what you mean. I originally bought dark desire because I thought it would go so well with munstead wood but in fact dark desire is a deep garnet and not at all similar to munstead Wood. However since they are separated by other roses they look fine in the same bed. Not exactly what I had envisioned but still fine. The issue was that my dark desire does not have the beautiful two-toned coloration of others, but is instead a deep red.
Name: Lola
Tasmania
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LolaTasmania
Apr 25, 2020 4:50 PM CST
I have gone out this morning to take some shots of my MW. I was a bit worried when I first bought it that it would look more blue than red because the photos I have seen of others are all so different. I took the photos in different light conditions and lightened some up because otherwise they would have looked like black holes.
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Name: Rosemary
Sacramento, CA (Zone 9b)
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reh0622
Apr 25, 2020 5:20 PM CST
Hmm, that's really interesting, Mustbnuts, about the color variations. And, vaporvac, I'm surprised that Dark Desire wouldn't be in the same color category as MW. Sometimes you don't know until you actually have them and grow them in your garden!
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Name: Rosemary
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reh0622
Apr 25, 2020 5:29 PM CST
Wow, that's a lot of colors you identified, Lola! I hope mine ends up showing some of the darker red hues, and although I like magenta, I wasn't expecting it.
Name: Porkpal
Richmond, TX
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porkpal
Apr 25, 2020 7:13 PM CST
Lola, which of your photos do you feel represents the truest color?
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Name: Lola
Tasmania
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LolaTasmania
Apr 25, 2020 7:29 PM CST
Porkpal - the one in the egg bowl. The colour is similar to burgundy iceberg rose but it holds its colour much better.
Name: Lola
Tasmania
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LolaTasmania
Apr 26, 2020 1:23 AM CST
Actually, I would say MW is pinot noir colour. Smiling
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Name: Seth n Sam .....
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Weluvroses
Apr 26, 2020 9:54 AM CST
reh0622 said:Is it normal for Munstead Woods to be decidedly purple/violette instead of crimson red? I will post pics when my ph. gets charged. I am starting to wonder if it was mislabeled.


I ordered it under the assumption that it was more purple than red. I've seen pictures of it in all different shades from light velvety red to super dark purple and everything in between. I hope mine whenever I get it. Is darker purple. But I'm not overly happy with David Austin's website and shipping. I ordered back on the morning of the 15th. And I've seen people who have ordered a week later from them. Already have theirs delivered. Everything I ordered was in stock. And I was told itll be over a month before my order is even shipped. Itll will be last order from them. Not only are they high priced. Their shipping times are absurd. My neighbor ordered the same exact Roses as me plus 2 others. 6 days after me. She got hers yesterday.
Name: Dennis Brown
The Big Island, Hawaii
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kohala
Apr 26, 2020 10:50 AM CST
The blooms on my Munstead Woods vary from sort of red to deep purple.
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Then, again, maybe I'm just colorblind.
SW Ohio River Valley (Zone 6b)
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vaporvac
Apr 26, 2020 2:58 PM CST
I think it's also how we describe ( and see) colour differently. I would say all of your shots show a blue underton with none exhibiting a garnet or orange red. I wouldn't truly call it red, reserving that for Crimson Glory, Lady in red and its ilk.

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