Roses forum: Rose variety help

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centralcaligirl
Apr 26, 2020 6:18 PM CST
Hi,

I am new to roses, and and wondering if anyone can help identify this one? It's been in my yard for over a decade and I've never known its name.

Thank you!
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Name: Mike
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Calsurf73
Apr 26, 2020 6:59 PM CST
Maybe "Pink Simplicity" ? I'm just guessing.
Coastal Southern California (Zone 13a)
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jerijen
Apr 26, 2020 8:37 PM CST
Might be 'Brilliant Pink Iceberg'???
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vaporvac
Apr 26, 2020 9:31 PM CST
There is something about it that reminds me of Betty Pryor. Is this Rose fragrant or not?
Name: John Hunley
E. TN (Zone 7a)
Rose_Insanity
Apr 26, 2020 10:29 PM CST
Pink roses are tough to ID, but I'm going with Carefree Beauty. Something about those long pointed, perfect buds....that open to a melted, shapeless, floppy mess, lol.

Edit: I missed seeing the super-long, saw-tooth sepals on that bud in the first pic. Now I'm almost certain it's CB.
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centralcaligirl
Apr 27, 2020 12:54 PM CST
Thank you so much everyone! All of the suggestions were very close. I think having compared the suggestions to the actual plant it looks closest to Carefree Beauty. It is really messy once the flowers open. A friend of mine also noted that the color fades sharply as the flowers age - becoming almost white before the petals drop. He was surprised at how much they faded.
Name: Porkpal
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porkpal
Apr 27, 2020 1:35 PM CST
I don't know. My Carefree Beauties have more petals than the roses pictured and do not fade much with age. Does this rose produce large, colorful hips?
Porkpal

centralcaligirl
Apr 27, 2020 2:22 PM CST
porkpal said:I don't know. My Carefree Beauties have more petals than the roses pictured and do not fade much with age. Does this rose produce large, colorful hips?


Honestly, I'm not sure. I don't remember them being very large. Here are some other pictures from different angles.
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Name: Christopher
New Brunswick, NJ, USA (Zone 7a)
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AquaEyes
Apr 27, 2020 2:33 PM CST
First thing I thought of when I saw it was 'Sparrieshoop', but I don't know why that name popped into my head. I never grew it, I never saw it in person, it's not at my job. But I have a weird brain, and sometimes (for fun) when I'm looking up roses I actually am interested in, I'll use HelpMeFind to see its ancestors and descendants --- sometimes almost obsessively. Over time, I guess I popped quite a few roses into my brain, and something subconsciously whispered the name to me. Am I right? I have no idea. But I was looking through the pics on HelpMeFind and thus far I can't find something that would cross it off the list, though I can't find all the details between your pics and the pics there. Take a look and tell me what you think.

https://www.helpmefind.com/ros...

:-)

~Christopher
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zuzu
Apr 27, 2020 3:11 PM CST

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Sparrieshoop has fewer petals.


centralcaligirl
Apr 27, 2020 3:38 PM CST
AquaEyes said:First thing I thought of when I saw it was 'Sparrieshoop', but I don't know why that name popped into my head. I never grew it, I never saw it in person, it's not at my job. But I have a weird brain, and sometimes (for fun) when I'm looking up roses I actually am interested in, I'll use HelpMeFind to see its ancestors and descendants --- sometimes almost obsessively. Over time, I guess I popped quite a few roses into my brain, and something subconsciously whispered the name to me. Am I right? I have no idea. But I was looking through the pics on HelpMeFind and thus far I can't find something that would cross it off the list, though I can't find all the details between your pics and the pics there. Take a look and tell me what you think.

:-)

~Christopher


The coloring looks similar, however I went and counted and this one has 10 petals per flower.
Name: Christopher
New Brunswick, NJ, USA (Zone 7a)
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AquaEyes
Apr 27, 2020 4:28 PM CST
Ah, yeah....I see that. Hmm....well, I guess that whisper was just what this reminded me of, not what it is. Those prickly peduncles, though......hmmmm...........

OK, after going nearly cross-eyed looking through a few advanced searches on HMF, of all things, I'm thinking maybe it's 'Pink Knock Out'.

https://www.helpmefind.com/ros...

:-)

~Christopher
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porkpal
Apr 27, 2020 4:33 PM CST
Certainly popular enough to be likely.
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Name: Zuzu
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zuzu
Apr 27, 2020 4:44 PM CST

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There are two Pink Knock Out roses. If it is Pink Knock Out, it's more likely to be this one Rose (Rosa 'Pink Knock Out') than the one in Christopher's link, which has 'Rodin' as its exhibition name and is unlikely to have been available in the United States a decade ago.
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jerijen
Apr 27, 2020 4:55 PM CST
You don't generally find Knock Out roses in California.
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E. TN (Zone 7a)
Rose_Insanity
Apr 27, 2020 5:09 PM CST
I'm sticking with Carefree Beauty. I don't think the blooms on pink KO are large enough, or flat enough when fully open.

I don't have a smart phone for photos, but there are plenty on HMF that match the OP photos. I also just dissected three CB blooms, and the petal count was from 12-15 petals, not counting tiny, partial petals.

Sepals/elegant bud: https://www.helpmefind.com/ros...
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Fading: https://www.helpmefind.com/ros... ,
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Shapeless open bloom: https://www.helpmefind.com/ros... ,
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Hope those pix help, Centralcaligirl. Like I said, pink roses are HARD, lol. There are just so many of them.


Name: Christopher
New Brunswick, NJ, USA (Zone 7a)
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AquaEyes
Apr 27, 2020 5:33 PM CST
@Zuzu -- you're right! I copied the link to the wrong 'Pink Knock Out', but interestingly, they're two independent pink sports of the original 'Knock Out'. So, essentially, they'd both look the same

@Rose_Insanity -- 'Carefree Beauty' has smooth peduncles, unlike the rose pictured here. That was the feature that was making me cross-eyed as I scanned through an advanced search on HMF looking for pink shrubs, semi-single and semi-double. If you were wondering, there are quite a few! But I skimmed past any that didn't show this trait.

These are the pics showing what I mean.



centralcaligirl said:

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Now look at the peduncles for 'Carefree Beauty'.

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And here are pics of peduncles for 'Pink Knock Out' (either one) and 'Knock Out', the sport-parent for both.

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I'm not convinced it is 'Pink Knock Out', but that was the closest I could find. Remember -- I was ignoring anything that didn't have bristly peduncles, and this was the last thing that was closest. Perhaps there's something I could change for another advanced search -- maybe it's not a "shrub"? But that's as far as I got.

:-/

~Christopher
Name: Zuzu
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zuzu
Apr 27, 2020 6:42 PM CST

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It could be a floribunda, Christopher. It looks so much like Betty Prior and Nearly Wild, both floribundas but without enough petals to be centralcaligirl's rose.

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Rose (Rosa 'Nearly Wild')

centralcaligirl
Apr 28, 2020 12:49 PM CST
So the whole family went out this morning to compare the different varieties everyone suggested to the plant in the yard. After much discussion about how Mom has too much time on her hands right now Big Grin the consensus was that the Pink Knockout is the closest so far.

My husband said that we bought it sometime between 2003 and 2006 from Capital Nursery in Sacramento. We were doing a lot of landscaping then, and my recollection is that a large percentage of their plants came from Monrovia. Does that help at all?

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centralcaligirl
Apr 28, 2020 12:51 PM CST
Hope those pix help, Centralcaligirl. Like I said, pink roses are HARD, lol. There are just so many of them.




Wow that's for sure! I never dreamed there would be so many.

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