Japanese Maples forum→Is this tree beyond saving as a Japanese maple?

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ajzpop
May 1, 2020 7:23 PM CST
Hi all,
Newbie here. Bought our house in November. We knew there was a Japanese Maple here but we didn't know it was/had reverted back to the root stock...if this is happening. My question is, is it changing back to a normal maple and if it is, will the seeds produced by the Japanese part produce a Japanese Maple? I am including pictures. We live in southeast Virginia.
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Name: Daisy I
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DaisyI
May 1, 2020 9:27 PM CST
Welcome!

I suspect at least one (maybe more) suckers were allowed to grow from the root stock. Crawl into the tree and try to find out if all the "reverted" parts are coming off just a couple trunks. The red threadleaf part should have its own stem. It will be the only part of the tree emerging above the graft. Its been allowed to go on for so long, it might be impossible to fix.

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ajzpop
May 2, 2020 7:01 AM CST
What about the seeds?
Name: Daisy I
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DaisyI
May 2, 2020 11:14 AM CST
Yes, those are seeds. I'm not sure what the question is.
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and proclaiming...."WOW What a Ride!!" -Mark Frost

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Webmaster: osnnv.org

ajzpop
May 2, 2020 12:22 PM CST
Will the produce a Japanese maple or will they be a tree from the root stock.
Name: Daisy I
Reno, Nv (Zone 6b)
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DaisyI
May 2, 2020 9:37 PM CST
If the seeds are on the threadleaf part, there will be some seedlings that are threadleaf, maybe even with red foliage. Seeds are a compilation of all the ancestors from both sides of the family AND you don't know who the second parent is.

If the seeds are on the root stock tree, there is a better chance they will look like the root stock as that tree is closer to the species tree. Both trees are Acer palmatum so, they could cross pollinate eachother.

If you decide to grow the seeds, let them mature and fall on their own (in the fall). Then they will need cold stratification to germinate.
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and proclaiming...."WOW What a Ride!!" -Mark Frost

President: Orchid Society of Northern Nevada
Webmaster: osnnv.org
Name: Karen
Southeast PA (Zone 6b)
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kousa
May 3, 2020 6:45 PM CST
Wow, I have never seen anything like that! Wonder why the rootstock was allowed to get this big.

ajzpop
May 3, 2020 8:06 PM CST
Yes, it is horrible. It's close to the house and almost completely taken over by the root stock. As much as I hate the thought, it's probably coming out this fall. That and an old cherry tree. It doesn't produce fruit and it's just too big....

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