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Name: TK
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Macrocentra
May 6, 2020 12:08 AM CST
Before I get into my pitcher plant questions, I want to mention I'm still quite new to carnivorous plants. I've tried caring for some Venus fly traps in the past, but never had much luck with them. I've always wanted to try a pitcher plant, and give carnivorous plants another try, so I obtained a small Nepenthes just a few days ago. Most of my experience is with cactuses and other succulents, and tropicals, so this is a new experience for me. Smiling

The Nepenthes I obtained (Nepenthes sanguinea, I believe) is still small, with bright, firm, healthy leaves. It also has two pitchers. When I brought it home, I gave it a good watering, as the soil was completely dry. I've been keeping it moist (not soggy). I currently have it in a south facing window with some of my cactuses, where it receives a few hours of bright light each day, and stays fairly warm. It perked up quite a bit since when I first brought it home, and a new stalk emerged in the center. However, the "lids" on the pitchers suddenly turned black. It also already had a leaf with a blackened tendril and dried remains of a tiny pitcher when I received it.

1. I read in a few places that pitcher loss is common when moving a Nepenthes to a new location. Is this true? Is there anything different I should do for it to help it adjust?

2. The plant came in a plastic pot with drainage holes, and a soil mix that appears to be largely coconut fiber. I wanted to repot it soon and give it a fresh soil mix, once it's had some more time to adjust to the house. Given the blackened pitchers, should I refrain from repotting for a while to avoid further stress? Or might the new pot and soil be beneficial in the current situation?

3. When I DO repot it, what soil blends would you recommend? I've come across several different mixes for carnivorous plants, and am having trouble deciding on the best option. Most of my plants are kept in various pre-mixed blends, with additional ingredients I add in to adjust drainage, so I have quite a few materials available to customize something for it. Smiling

4. Fertilizing/Feeding: I've come across several recommendations for providing nutrients for the plant. These have ranged from:
- offering very occasional insects (only a couple per month for a larger plant)
- adding a small amount of heavily diluted orchid fertilizer to a single pitcher
- spraying a small amount of heavily diluted orchid fertilizer over the plant
Are any of these options better than another for an indoor pitcher? Or is there another appropriate option?

Any assistance is much appreciated! Smiling

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Name: Daisy I
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DaisyI
May 6, 2020 10:21 AM CST
1. Yes, they do seem to lose their pitchers at any change. Yours was stressed from lack of water and then moved to a new home. That would be enough. Water it daily by allowing water to flow through but don't let it sit in water. A humidity tray would be beneficial.

2. Don't repot. The pot its in and the medium are perfect. They don't have large root systems AND repotting is another stress.

3. Coir or New Zealand Sphagnum peat moss. I have one that's about 9 ft tall and in the original pot. Most of the moss is gone but the plant is very happy.

4. Don't fertilize. The plant is photosynthesizing and catching a periodic bug. That's enough. When I first started growing carnivorous plants, the thought of fertilizing was a silly concept. Now, I think growers are falling for the whole fertilizer hype. Those fertilizer companies have a great marketing team.
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Name: TK
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Macrocentra
May 6, 2020 11:13 AM CST
@DaisyI

1. Should I still water daily even if the medium is still damp? So far, I've only watered enough to keep it moist, but I gave it a thorough soaking when I got it because it was so horribly dry. I have some trays, I'll set one up for it today. Pebble tray?

2. Okay, I'll leave it be. Smiling

3. Can they grow in straight sphagnum? Or is a coir and sphagnum mix better for them?
Would it be beneficial to add some sphagnum on top of the substrate to help increase humidity a bit? My house gets really dry...

4. Perfect, thank you! I found a lot of conflicting information regarding fertilizing. It sounded kind of strange to me too, considering the adaptations these plants have, but there were so many recommendations to fertilize indoor pitchers, it was getting confusing. I'll refrain from any fertilizers.

Thank you for the help! Smiling
Name: Daisy I
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DaisyI
May 6, 2020 3:00 PM CST
The potting medium is not that important as long as certain requirements are met: High in organic matter but low in nutrients, slightly acidic and fast draining.

They need constantly moist potting medium and high humidity, bright light and good air circulation. If new pitchers fail to grow or quickly brown, the humidity is too low.

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Name: TK
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Macrocentra
May 13, 2020 11:04 PM CST
Well, good news! I gave it a humidity tray, and have been giving it a daily water. It already has a new pitcher growing. Smiling

I ended up bringing home a second plant, as I stumbled across another a bit larger than this one, with two hefty pitchers on it. It also appeared to be better watered at the nursery than the first one. I put it beside the first one, and followed the same routine right away. Both pitchers on that one are still healthy, and it also has two additional pitchers growing.

Both plants seem happy with the routine.
Name: Daisy I
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DaisyI
May 14, 2020 10:16 AM CST
I'm glad its doing better!
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Name: tarev
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tarev
May 14, 2020 1:32 PM CST
My Nepenthes always sits in water..very thirsty plant, at least here in my location since it is always much drier here.

I only use distilled water for them, and to be honest I have not repotted them either since I have acquired them a couple of years ago. They do love the sun here, so it is by my west facing window, by the sink. I have never given them any fertilizers either. Spring has always been active growing time for them especially once light levels goes stronger and duration longer. I cannot grow them outdoors here it will get dry roasted by our summer heat, and will be too cold during winter, so they are all grown indoors.

Looking at your plant, I do agree, it still does not need repotting. Good to hear you say it is making pitchers. It is also pitcher watch time for my Nepenthes Big Grin

Just sharing how some of the pitchers of mine are doing:

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04May2020- lid still closed; 14May2020 lid is open
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A bigger pitcher nearer the window
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29Mar2020 lid still closed, pitcher still small; 04May2020, lid finally open, pitcher much bigger.
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The Nepenthes by the sink area, by the west facing window
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Name: TK
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Macrocentra
May 14, 2020 4:18 PM CST
Very nice tarev! I love the spots and colors on yours. Smiling

Here's both plants. The first purchase on the right (the previously posted plant), and the newer on the left.


This is the new little pitcher that started growing.
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And the big ones on the newer plant, along with the new little one it started growing since I brought it home. Smiling
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I'm hoping the trays keep working. It gets really dry here too. My house is larger with horrible air circulation, so most rooms are really dry. My fish aquariums evaporate a few inches every week if I don't keep up with them. And all my plant humidity trays have to be competely filled daily. Given it gets even drier approaching and during winter, I might need to switch them to water dishes.

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tarev
May 14, 2020 6:40 PM CST
Lovely plants! and pitchers! Lovey dubby Lovey dubby

It was by accident that I found out the Nepenthes wanted to stay in standing water here. I thought initially just keeping the moist was enough, and I noticed the plant seems to be drying out faster any existing pitcher. I was away for awhile and it was tasked to my hubby to care for it. In his care, he accidentally let the plants sit in water. So to my surprise on my return, I saw improved growth, and that was even winter time, with heaters running, so the water below helped sustain its moisture needs. So I now keep them always in standing in water.
Name: TK
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Macrocentra
May 21, 2020 9:38 AM CST
Sounds like a bit of a happy accident then. Smiling

They definitely seem to love a lot of water. I've been giving mine a heavy water daily, so they're staying quite damp, and keeping their humidity trays topped up. The new pitchers have already grown so much since my last post in this thread. The initial plant has a new leaf that opened yesterday too. Smiling

Should I trim off the pitchers that dried out? The rest of the leaf is still fine. Or should I let them fall off on their own? If I should trim them, where's the best spot to cut?
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Name: Daisy I
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May 21, 2020 2:33 PM CST
The old pitchers never drop off. You can trim them at the attachment to the leaf. Eventually, the leaf will die too and then you can trim at the stem. I'll post a photo of mine later.
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May 22, 2020 12:50 PM CST
I just tolerate the drying out pitchers as much as I can...till I cannot take it anymore aesthetically. Smiling Then out goes the cutters!
Name: Daisy I
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May 22, 2020 2:44 PM CST
Here are my two mature plants. I have a third, its very tiny. Maybe I should go look for it. Smiling

The pot is on the ground, about 8 ft. below. It has bloomed a couple times.
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Nepenthes ventricosa. It has never wandered away from the pot.
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Name: TK
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Macrocentra
May 22, 2020 10:16 PM CST
Ah, okay. I wasn't sure if they dropped off or if the whole leaf eventually went. I'll leave them be for right now.

@DaisyI - Wow, look at all the pitchers on that big one. How long did it take to grow that big?
Those are beautiful plants. Smiling
Name: TK
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Macrocentra
Jun 5, 2020 11:03 AM CST
The lid on one of the new pitchers opened today. This plant now has three pitchers.
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The new one growing on the initial plant on the right, that lost it's pitchers looks close to opening as well. Smiling

Name: Daisy I
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Jun 5, 2020 4:34 PM CST
You're doing a good job! Thumbs up

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Name: Daisy I
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DaisyI
Jun 5, 2020 5:02 PM CST
I found the little lost Nepenthes - its grown two new pitchers (the other one is on the other side). I fell in love with the little spikes on the pitcher. No ID, still in the 2 inch pot it came in. Smiling
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Name: TK
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Macrocentra
Jun 5, 2020 10:25 PM CST
Thanks!

I'm so happy to see they're doing so well so far. I ended up finding another tiny pitcher starting on the second plant. So it'll have four soon. Smiling

Yay! You found it. Smiling
It's a cute little plant. I like the ridges it has too. Definitely has some nice little features to it.
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Jan 23, 2021 7:12 PM CST
@DaisyI

Wow! That plant looks huge in the pic. How big is it?
Name: Daisy I
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Jan 23, 2021 7:20 PM CST
Its in a 2 inch pot. I have one that was about 10 ft when I cut it into pieces and re-rooted last summer.
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