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Name: TK
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Macrocentra
May 6, 2020 12:28 AM CST
Some of you may have seen my recently obtained, first ever aloe, Aloe broomii I posted in another thread. That Broomii suddenly became two. Then... I suddenly had a bigger aloe. Now... I suddenly have four aloes. Not sure what happened there. Rolling on the floor laughing

I was hoping to confirm the ID's of the second two:

Aloe #1: This guy was labelled as "Aloe humilis". It isn't quite as spiky as most of the ones I've seen though. Different species maybe?

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Aloe #2: Had no label. Maybe an Aloe brevifolia?

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In the years I've kept cactuses and other succulents... I never entirely realized the beauty in aloes. I haven't had these guys long, but every time I've walked in their room, they've made me smile. I feel like I've gained a whole new appreciation for them, and I love them already. Smiling
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skopjecollection
May 6, 2020 12:35 AM CST
..somehow both of these are wrong.
1 is definitely not humilis. Not idea what it is but it looks like a brooomii with green spikes
2. Not brevifolia. Too tall. Brevioflia is stubby and has a dense rosette
ive seen them erroneously called juvenna
https://thegreenarea.com/aloe-...
perhaps its nobilis but i cannot confirm that..
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Name: TK
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Macrocentra
May 6, 2020 12:43 AM CST
Thank you.

I'm just getting into aloes, so I'm not super familiar with all the species. Was definitely questioning #1 being a humilis. I can get some more pictures if there's other parts of the plant that may help with an ID.

I'll look that one up!

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mcvansoest
May 6, 2020 7:54 AM CST
Aloes can be hard if there are no flowers and even with flowers they can be hard.

1 could be Aloe x spinosissima - though that tends to be more spotted - but at least that plant would have humilis as one of its parents. As an alternative this has some aspects that make me think of Aloe 'Blue Elf' though on that one rosettes are often more closed up (but that could be a matter of growing conditions). Blue elf tends to clump harder than spinosissima and stays smaller and in good sun, would be blue-ish green iso green compared to spinosissima.

2. definitely has the look of 'nobilis'. Though there are some close lookalikes around. This one already gives me the feel of being etiolated, so watch the light exposure.

Both these plants are not officially true species if I am not mistaken, but relatively popular and available in the trade so
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Name: TK
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Macrocentra
May 6, 2020 11:01 AM CST
@mcvansoest

Thank you!

#1 was from a greenhouse so would have had far better conditions than #2. #2 I recently found all alone on a table in a grocery store, and it generally seemed healthy so I took it home. I didn't realize it might be etiolated. Sad
I'll take a photo from the side so we can see it better.

#1 has a pup growing, #2 has two pups. Should I separate them out, or let them continue growing together? I have both plants in one of my brightest windows right now, with my calatheas. They get indirect light through most of the day, with a few hours of strong light a bit later in the day.

So these are potentially both hybrids then?
Name: TK
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Macrocentra
May 6, 2020 11:23 AM CST
Here's a couple side pictures as well.

Aloe #1:
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Aloe #2:
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skopjecollection
May 6, 2020 12:01 PM CST
that looks a lot more like blue elf or the one mcvansoest suggested(x spinossisima)...
the second one still looks like nobilis
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mcvansoest
May 6, 2020 12:01 PM CST
TK, can you tell me the approximate pot size of the plastic pots they came in - that will give me a better sense of scale.

#2 is not very etiolated, but it clearly has the open and more elongated new growth that you associate with low light conditions, possibly a little too low - weeks in a grocery store can probably easily do that.

The plants both look healthy, so if you can provide them with lots of bright light (as I am sure you have heard: the more sunlight the better if the plants are inside) then hopefully the stretching will not get worse on #2.

Just a quick question since Ontario is rather large (my wife is from there) how far north are you? Just trying to get a sense of if/when you might be able to get these plants outside for a few months.

If the tentative IDs are correct then these plants are clumpers, you can remove the offsets, but you would be doing that for pot size/esthetic reasons, the plants themselves are perfectly happy in a large crowded clump. And yes I am pretty sure that with all 3 possible IDs we are talking some kind of hybrid, though I am not sure if both parents are known for 'Blue Elf' and 'Nobilis' (one can suspect humilis for 'Blue Elf' and brevifolia for 'nobilis').
It is what it is!
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Macrocentra
May 6, 2020 12:13 PM CST
Aloe #1 is in a 1 gallon pot.
Aloe #2 is in a ~5" diameter pot. The height of the pot it's actually planted in, is just a bit shorter than the decorative wooden one it's sitting in.

I'm in south Ontario. A bit south of London. I can drive to Lake Erie in 10 minutes. So almost as far south as you can get.

If they're happy in clumps, then I'll leave them be. I don't mind having them all together.
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I would put both of them in 8 inch pots given you're still pretty early in the season and they have potential to grow.
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mcvansoest
May 6, 2020 9:19 PM CST
Based on the pot size, I'd say the chances of it being x spinosissima are greater than it being 'Blue Elf' those just do not quite get that big before they form serious clumps - flowers will tell.

x nobilis feels pretty good for #2 right now based on the pot size as well. Nobilis clumps and crawls - so while the elongation does feel a little bit like etiolation for a plant of that size it will also want to elongate and start crawling from its nature.

OK, if you are that far south you may not be that far off from being able to put these outside (if you have that option). I guess you want to be sure that night time lows are well above freezing, but if you can give them a spot with lots of sunlight (acclimatize them slowly) they will probably grow quite happily (btw, my wife is from about 2 hours north of Toronto).
It is what it is!
Name: TK
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Macrocentra
May 7, 2020 12:31 PM CST
Alright, I'll go with those IDs for now then. Hopefully I can get flowers to help confirm them.

I got two new pots for them to give them some extra space. I'm going to let them adjust to the new location a bit longer, then I'll move them over.

Hopefully I can put them out soon. I'm going to wait it out a bit, as we're expected to get snow the next two days. The weather's been so inconsistent the last few months. Hopefully it warms up and stabilizes soon.

That's not tooooo far from me. I can get to Toronto in around 2 to 2.5hrs.
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