Plant ID forum→Identify this tree (?scots pine)

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Name: Melissa S
Edmonton, Alberta, Canada (Zone 4a)
Melswabb
May 7, 2020 12:39 AM CST
Hi everyone!

This tree is near my house (Edmonton, Alberta) and we love it! I think it's a Scots Pine but I'm not certain. Does anyone know for sure? We would love to have one for our front yard landscaping.

Thanks!
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Name: Big Bill
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BigBill
May 7, 2020 3:14 AM CST
It could be but from this distance it is hard to confirm. I think that it is one of the red pine group. It could very well be a Scotch Pine.
If you could provide a closer image of the bark, pine needle cluster and a couple of pine cones, that could confirm it!
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Name: Melissa S
Edmonton, Alberta, Canada (Zone 4a)
Melswabb
May 8, 2020 5:29 PM CST
Thanks! Here are a couple more photos if this helps. Smiling

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Name: Big Bill
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BigBill
May 8, 2020 5:49 PM CST
Well you would think so but no.
What would confirm what type of pine it is are:
1. The number of needles per fascicle. Are there 2, 3 or 5? If you look closely at they way that the needles are arranged, you'll see how many arise out of a single place on the branch. They might be two in a cluster say. They are wrapped in like a little piece of tan tissue paper.
2. Are the needles straight or twisted? White pine needles are 5 per fascicle and straight. Scotch pines are typically two and slightly corkscrewed or twisted.
A close up of a single pine cone at an angle of looking into the cone would help.
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Name: Daisy I
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May 8, 2020 8:07 PM CST
Looks like two needles per bundle.
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Name: Big Bill
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BigBill
May 9, 2020 2:21 AM CST
I agree.
I am still leaning towards Scotch Pine.
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Silversurfer
May 9, 2020 2:45 AM CST
Colour of bark, 2 needles...looks perfect for Pinus sylvestris.....common name Scots pine.

Big Bill...please note SCOTCH is a drink and comes in a bottle...otherwise known as Whisky!


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Name: Big Bill
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BigBill
May 9, 2020 3:03 AM CST
Excuse me but if you google it on-line, both spellings are acceptable.

I learned this tree in my Dendrology class @ SUNY Environmental Science & Forestry as Pinus sylvestris Scotch Pine.
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Silversurfer
May 9, 2020 6:50 AM CST
May be acceptable in USA/Canada...but not in Scotland.

Stuff on Google/internet is sadly only as accurate as the people that put it there.
Doesn't make it correct though.

https://www.google.com/search?...

In UK.... Bean is the authority.

http://treesandshrubsonline.or...
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Name: John
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ViburnumValley
May 9, 2020 9:04 AM CST
There are a lot of terms that were formerly common in conversation that are today recognized as derogatory, and more than a few of them were used in reference to plant common names. Many had to do with ethnicity and race. I think BigBill has lived enough years in the United States to know what they are without me being explicit. Just because one grew up with it (or was taught it) doesn't mean one should keep doing it - blindly or not. When positive new information is presented - rather than arbitrary - embrace it.

Scots versus Scotch is one of those terms, and it is probably far more readily recognized as such in the UK. There's not a lot of value in continuing to use an improper name.

I agree that the plant in question is a nice example of Pinus sylvestris - Scots Pine.

Scots Pine (Pinus sylvestris)

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